Questions regarding factory ordering

[remington109]

I wouldn't be shocked at all if they drop the manual or the penta. They dropped the diesel and I don't think its coming back. Yeah it might put off some of the OG Jeepers but thats happened with every change for the last 20+ years. When they look at their order books and sell through numbers and see >50% 4xe and >90% automatic... I don't think they are going to bat an eye at dropping the manual in favor of better performance, better fuel economy, and more simplified production pipeline.

Even if that means losing that ~3% of manual orders.

Yea, seems logical and it's not out of the realm of possibility. Re: the diesel, I thought it was dropped b/c it was a flaming turd, overpriced, and didn't really deliver on promises. Either way, great idea, poor execution imo.

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[Halxen]

Yea, seems logical and it's not out of the realm of possibility. Re: the diesel, I thought it was dropped b/c it was a flaming turd, overpriced, and didn't really deliver on promises. Either way, great idea, poor execution imo.

Agree or disagree; some may say the same about both the 2.0L T4 and the 3.6L penta

I think there are plenty of 3.0L EcoDiesel owners who love 'em and haven't had tons of problems with them. IMO it was dropped because it no longer made economical/business sense to continue manufacturing them.

who knows though.

 

[agpr2016]

They would also have to drop the manual transmission, which I don't see happening yet.

I hope they don't drop either the 3.6 or the manual...for the 25

 

[Powelligator]

Coming from someone who (for some strange reason) watches the Jeep Future as a hobby, I will absolutely eat my favorite hat if Jeep offers any version of the Hurricane inline 6 for the 2025 model year. For 2025 MY there will be some tweaks to the 4xe drivetrain but beyond that the current engine lineup; the 2.0 turbo and the 3.6 V-6, will soldier on to the end of the JL platform in 2027 or 2028. Two things that we can be certain of is that as the model year plays out there will be random availability constraints on the drivetrain options, as well as the routine MSRP price hikes.

The manual transmission will still be around as long as the 3.6 stays in the lineup but my personal feeling is that the meteor has hit and that shifting gears like a dinosaur will be a thing of the past after the J70 platform release.

 

[agpr2016]

Coming from someone who (for some strange reason) watches the Jeep Future as a hobby, I will absolutely eat my favorite hat if Jeep offers any version of the Hurricane inline 6 for the 2025 model year. For 2025 MY there will be some tweaks to the 4xe drivetrain but beyond that the current engine lineup; the 2.0 turbo and the 3.6 V-6, will soldier on to the end of the JL platform in 2027 or 2028. Two things that we can be certain of is that as the model year plays out there will be random availability constraints on the drivetrain options, as well as the routine MSRP price hikes.

The manual transmission will still be around as long as the 3.6 stays in the lineup but my personal feeling is that the meteor has hit and that shifting gears like a dinosaur will be a thing of the past after the J70 platform release.

That makes sense...drop the 3.6 after this generation is over...I hope it continues to the end of the JL.

 

[Ratbert]

^ This. No one outside of Jeep will know these things; until it's "too late" for them to matter. I would add to what Ratbert noted; there is also a decent amount of rumors that MY '25 will have some engine changes as well beyond just the expected 4xe update. There are some legitimate things that would support this as well; but again no one out side of Jeep's decision makers and engineers are going to actually know and we're all just working from imperfect data.

The rumors for the ICE engine change is the switch to the Hurricane T6 twin turbo I6 at the top-end to replace the 392 V8. The Hurricane T6 is produced in both HO (High Output) and SO (Standard Output) variants. The HO version has 26psi of boost from its turbos and the SO version has 22psi of boost. Lastly, they also are making an Inline 4 cylinder turbo (single) version of the Hurricane engine (I'm not aware if its available in anything yet). This is part of what is expected for the 4xe upgrade along with a larger battery pack and support for higher voltage charging.

• Discontinuation of the 392
• The new Ram 1500s have the twin turbo Hurricane I6 SO in the MY '25

Personally at this point, I'd be waiting for the MY '25 order books to open; saying this as someone who just took delivery of a '24 at the beginning of May. IMO with the limitations on may of the options currently its worth the gamble to see what will actually roll out with the '25s.

EDIT: My personal opinion is they will do something similar to the following for the '25 changes

• Hurricane I4 Turbo (standard)
• Hurricane I4 Turbo PHEV generator variant for 4xe upgrade
• Hurricane T6 Twin Turbo I6 SO (400hp / 450 lb-ft), Standard on Rubicon/Rubicon X equivalent; option on Sahara/High Altitude equivalents
• Hurricane T6 Twin Turbo I6 HO (500hp / 475 lb-ft), for Rubicon 392 replacement

And possibly a "higher-end" version of the 4xe counterpart to the top-end ICE replacement for the Rubicon 392; with a Hurricane T6 Twin Turbo I6 SO PHEV generator variant and larger battery pack

Is this anything other than pure speculation? We're pretty damn confident that the I6 is too long to fit in the JL platform. Additionally, there was nothing about the I6 in the UAW writeup on future plans for the JL or J70 platforms. The only changes listed for 2025 were for the 4xe.

they also are making an Inline 4 cylinder turbo (single) version of the Hurricane engine

Isn't the current 2.0L (GME T4) already a Hurricane?

 

[Halxen]

Coming from someone who (for some strange reason) watches the Jeep Future as a hobby, I will absolutely eat my favorite hat if Jeep offers any version of the Hurricane inline 6 for the 2025 model year. For 2025 MY there will be some tweaks to the 4xe drivetrain but beyond that the current engine lineup; the 2.0 turbo and the 3.6 V-6, will soldier on to the end of the JL platform in 2027 or 2028. Two things that we can be certain of is that as the model year plays out there will be random availability constraints on the drivetrain options, as well as the routine MSRP price hikes.

The manual transmission will still be around as long as the 3.6 stays in the lineup but my personal feeling is that the meteor has hit and that shifting gears like a dinosaur will be a thing of the past after the J70 platform release.

• 2007 - Jeep replaced the 4.0L with the 3.8L V6 when they launched the JK platform.
• 2011 - Jeep updated the interior / dash along with other "cosmetic" changes.
• 2012 - Jeep replaced the 3.8L V6 with the 3.6L V6

...

• 2018 - Jeep "quasi" launched JL platform concurrent to the last JK
• 2024 - Jeep updated the interior / dash along with other "cosmetic" changes
• 2025 - Jeep...

Can you spot the pattern? If they weren't already putting the GME I6 Twin Turbo in their other '25 models that have already launched then I'd be leaning more toward your feeling.

 

[Halxen]

Is this anything other than pure speculation? We're pretty damn confident that the I6 is too long to fit in the JL platform. Additionally, there was nothing about the I6 in the UAW writeup on future plans for the JL or J70 platforms. The only changes listed for 2025 were for the 4xe.

No, as I said in my posts; this is rumor and speculation.

Isn't the current 2.0L (GME T4) already a Hurricane?

Yeah, I didn't mean for that to be as confusing as it apparently was.

Anyway, we'll surely know for sure in a couple months time right?

 

[Powelligator]

• 2007 - Jeep replaced the 4.0L with the 3.8L V6 when they launched the JK platform.
• 2011 - Jeep updated the interior / dash along with other "cosmetic" changes.
• 2012 - Jeep replaced the 3.8L V6 with the 3.6L V6

...

• 2018 - Jeep "quasi" launched JL platform concurrent to the last JK
• 2024 - Jeep updated the interior / dash along with other "cosmetic" changes
• 2025 - Jeep...

Can you spot the pattern? If they weren't already putting the GME I6 Twin Turbo in their other '25 models that have already launched then I'd be leaning more toward your feeling.

2007 - The 4.0 went away due to the difficulty of meeting then-current federal emissions and CAFE standards. The TJ was the last platform in their entire corporate lineup to have that engine, they (FCA) were actually happy to get rid of it.

2011 - Mid cycle refresh, completely normal for product life cycle.

2012 - The replacement for the 3.8 was on the roadmap but they had availability constraints so it was pushed a MY back. Also, the JK platform was designed from the outset to support a V6, so the difference between the two engines - physically - was not an issue.

2018 - The JL assembly line was set up in Toledo North and the JK was still being built for a while in Toledo South. They had a lot of leftover fleet orders to fill with the outgoing JK so it wasn't a stretch to have both models built at the same time. After full on JL production was established they reconfigured Toledo South for JT production.

2024 - Mid cycle refresh.

2025 - Rumor has it that Antonio Filosa walked down to the production line himself, took out a tape measure and confirmed that the JL frame will not physically take the Hurricane inline 6. At that point he shrugged his shoulders and said in his Italian accent, "You are correct, won't feet, let's put it in the Jay-seventee. We steel hev more of those three point seexes, no?"

 

[ACAPECE]

So, I've had plenty of vehicles in my lifetime, but never factory ordered and had some questions

1. I really prefer the 2.0t but I realize it's unavailable for order. Going back through threads, seems it's a common on again, off again theme. Is there any realistic chance it will become available before the books close on 2024?

2. Again, I've searched and maybe I missed it. Any idea when 2024 orders cease and/or 2025 becomes available?

3. Seems like some decent, and renewing, manufacturer rebates on the current model. I get that these are heavily market driven, but is there a pattern or time of year that incentives tend to be better, worse, or non existent?

4. When the 2025 MY year opens for ordering, when would be the earliest we would expect to see any manufacturer incentives?

5. And lastly...Anvil Gray is by far my first choice. Realizing that nobody can say with certainty, but regarding Anvil, is it likely to be a one year color or decent odds to carry over to '25?

I greatly appreciate any insights.

Thanks

If you really want the 2.0 , and have the ability to, I would wait. The ordering process is not for the faint of heart. You could be incredibly lucky and get your vehicle in a reasonable time period or incredibly unlucky and it take 6-8 months. At the end of the day you’re going through the process so you don’t have to compromise, and hopefully score a great deal off @Ratbert list. The only certainty is prices will continue to increase, and Jeep will keeping adding and removing things to piss the people on this forum off!! Good luck in your search.

 

[Halxen]

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2025 - Rumor has it that Antonio Filosa walked down to the production line himself, took out a tape measure and confirmed that the JL frame will not physically take the Hurricane inline 6. At that point he shrugged his shoulders and said in his Italian accent, "You are correct, won't feet, let's put it in the Jay-seventee. We steel hev more of those three point seexes, no?"

Bravo. This gave me a good laugh.

And you're probably right I'm just looking at some conflicting info regarding the fitment since they said the 3.0L T6 was designed to fit vehicles that currently have the V8 Hemi

But as Ratbert pointed out, probably would have seen something in the UAW leaks

 

[DanCowan]

I just ordered a 2024 Anvil 3.6 with the manual transmission yesterday. One positive about ordering now is that you can get the colour you want and they are offering nice discounts that will likely disappear once the 2025 rolls around. I tried to buy mine in Sarge Green but they are no longer offering it plus I saved 7500 off msrp on a special Order if price is of significance.

 

[agpr2016]

I just ordered a 2024 Anvil 3.6 with the manual transmission yesterday. One positive about ordering now is that you can get the colour you want and they are offering nice discounts that will likely disappear once the 2025 rolls around. I tried to buy mine in Sarge Green but they are no longer offering it plus I saved 7500 off msrp on a special Order if price is of significance.

Hopefully for MY25 ghobi, pumpkin orange, Smurf, or nacho colors comeback...

 

[Ratbert]

@remington109, you'd better decide quickly. Apparently the 2024 order books will be closed June 15th. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...rangler-orders-mark-dodge.128973/post-2738880

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