PRODUCTION NUMBERS BY MODEL

[YBABRAT]

Writing in all caps was considered shouting as early as 1984, one year after the public release of the Internet. The generation you speak of was at most 3 years old at the time and most weren't even born yet. Even Gen X was no more than 18 y/o teenagers at the time.

If you want to pin All-Caps=Shouting on a generation, Boomer computer nerds would be the most appropriate group.

Excuse me... most all connections used caps back then. You are not correct. BBS was not the internet. If you understood more about tech, 640x480 was the max resolution and small case letters did not cut it. All caps was easier to read without eye strain. Problem is most don't read as well today and get lost in lengthy paragraphs, let alone large topics, and do their best to detour the topic.

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[Reinen]

Excuse me... most all connections used caps back then. You are not correct. BBS was not the internet. If you understood more about tech, 640x480 was the max resolution and small case letters did not cut it. All caps was easier to read without eye strain. Problem is most don't read as well today and get lost in lengthy paragraphs, let alone large topics, and do their best to detour the topic.

If I understood more about tech...
Don't techsplain to an Internet OG, kid.

Get out of here with that 640x480 bs. That was PCs in the early 90's. All-Caps = shouting started when the Internet became public in 1984. ISPs didn't exist until 5 years later in 1989. In 1984 there were only mainframes connected to the internet and these were accessed by terminals. Screen resolution was measured in text characters, typically 80x24. You could very easily read upper and lowercase characters on the old VT-x00 DEC terminals but graphics were non-existent.

By the time you came along with your PC this whole all-caps = shouting thing was established for years, regardless of whether your PC could display text well.

 

[JesseT]

Pissing contests about who had the Internet first, pedantry about the exact meaning of, "generation," and formatting standards from back when people were writing titles on clay tablets with split reeds notwithstanding, I think the main takeaways are:

1) All caps as an indicator of yelling has been an established standard for casual communication on the Internet for decades, and we are communicating on the Internet in a casual environment. Applying formal writing standards to the etiquette of this modality of communication is just as nonsensical as applying casual internet standards of communication where formal writing is called for...like wearing a 3-piece suit to a pickup basketball game.

2) I'm also very curious about Jeep production numbers, but from what @Ratbert said it sounds like that information is going to be hard-won.

 

[Ratbert]

2) I'm also very curious about Jeep production numbers, but from what @Ratbert said it sounds like that information is going to be hard-won.

Some day I'll probably attempt to revive it in a severely reduced capacity where it gathers those details over weeks instead of hours. I was using it to look for trends and shortages, which was just too ambitious as well as too obvious from Jeep corp's perspective.

 

[YBABRAT]

Pissing contests about who had the Internet first, pedantry about the exact meaning of, "generation," and formatting standards from back when people were writing titles on clay tablets with split reeds notwithstanding, I think the main takeaways are:

1) All caps as an indicator of yelling has been an established standard for casual communication on the Internet for decades, and we are communicating on the Internet in a casual environment. Applying formal writing standards to the etiquette of this modality of communication is just as nonsensical as applying casual internet standards of communication where formal writing is called for...like wearing a 3-piece suit to a pickup basketball game.

2) I'm also very curious about Jeep production numbers, but from what @Ratbert said it sounds like that information is going to be hard-won.

BS! Yet you can't help the op with your techy marvel abilities.

OP search [email protected] in the search tool. He has a few threads on your request.

Here is a sample for 2019. I would have stated this on my first reply, but I was browsing before bed.

 

[TheBirdie72]

I wonder who bought the only bikini rubicon RHD? I always think it’s cool to have a 1/1.

 

[Ratbert]

I wonder who bought the only bikini rubicon RHD? I always think it’s cool to have a 1/1.

There are tons of 1 of 1s with the number of options we have.

 

[blackwater]

Pissing contests about who had the Internet first, pedantry about the exact meaning of, "generation," and formatting standards from back when people were writing titles on clay tablets with split reeds notwithstanding, I think the main takeaways are:

1) All caps as an indicator of yelling has been an established standard for casual communication on the Internet for decades, and we are communicating on the Internet in a casual environment. Applying formal writing standards to the etiquette of this modality of communication is just as nonsensical as applying casual internet standards of communication where formal writing is called for...like wearing a 3-piece suit to a pickup basketball game.

2) I'm also very curious about Jeep production numbers, but from what @Ratbert said it sounds like that information is going to be hard-won.

Not to beat a dead horse, but exactly who established writing standards for casual communications for the internet? I get the LOL, BRB and LMAO, but established standards is ridiculous. Cracks me up when people pull shit out of their ass in an attempt to make it sound official. If I wrote, “I get your point, but I think YOU ARE A DUMBASS,“ the capital letters can be construed as emphasis,, or in a sensitive person’s mind, yelling. I am far from a literary scholar, but just because a person decides to articulate on the Internet, does it mean the articulation must appear to be written by an illiterate. That said, simply capitalizing a title in a thread SHOULD be interpreted in context.

YBRBRAT,
Thanks for the spread sheet on production numbers. A few week ago I read someplace there are still over 30k new Wranglers on the market. If correct, Jeep obviously cranked up production after 2019. Now that sales tanked, 2025 numbers may drop below the 2019 level. Your screen name hurt my ears!

 

[YBABRAT]

Not to beat a dead horse, but exactly who established writing standards for casual communications for the internet? I get the LOL, BRB and LMAO, but established standards is ridiculous. Cracks me up when people pull shit out of their ass in an attempt to make it sound official. If I wrote, “I get your point, but I think YOU ARE A DUMBASS,“ the capital letters can be construed as emphasis,, or in a sensitive person’s mind, yelling. I am far from a literary scholar, but just because a person decides to articulate on the Internet, does it mean the articulation must appear to be written by an illiterate. That said, simply capitalizing a title in a thread SHOULD be interpreted in context.

YBRBRAT,
Thanks for the spread sheet on production numbers. A few week ago I read someplace there are still over 30k new Wranglers on the market. If correct, Jeep obviously cranked up production after 2019. Now that sales tanked, 2025 numbers may drop below the 2019 level. Your screen name hurt my ears!

HA! I could of posted some pix of hard copies of my computer work from the 80s and 90s. You hardly saw lower case .... like I originally stated, for less eye strain. Ease of reading when most of the info on vt100 and small terminals when needed most. 14" sceens were big... 12" was about average. IBM had 13" screens around 1989. Obviously he did not read lower case well... should have written in all caps. Probably still will run with scissors though.

Yes, I think 2019 and 2025 will have some rare 2 doors and trim options. So far 2019 2 door Rubicons are the lowest builds ever made. Less than 4k in the US. Even rarer are 2 door Canada and exports.

IMO if one plans on rarity being a good resale, generations might give up on manuals unless they are low milage museum peices. Yester year's rarity with color and engine combos is not going to be the main factor.

Body year, build numbers, and attritional availability will be the big factor. 1st year of JL and last year of JL... if there is a big effort to send a statement goodbye. Like the return of the Golden Eagle or create a new icon brand... Juggernaut, with 37s and to bring new features that will carry over into the new higher trimmed replacement model.

My picks for resale rarity will be Hemi, v6 8spd auto combo, 2 doors, any non green, black, white, grey color. Tan interior or factory redical delete option, leather, color matched fenders and hard top. All of course will require a window sticker or build sheet for proof. Stuff like that won't be much of a factor until 20 years have passed. In the early 70s Hemi cars were soon set to rot because of gas prices and better MPG engines and smaller cars. It took 20 years for them to be thought as valued to the average Joe.

Even with a collector guy I knew... he got a 70 Challenger convertible 440 six pac with air conditioning that was parked and stored for some time untouched in his garage. It was not his engine that he remarked about... a convertible with factory air was rare for a 70. Outside of a hemi he was very happy having found it for a good deal.

 

[blackwater]

HA! I could of posted some pix of hard copies of my computer work from the 80s and 90s. You hardly saw lower case .... like I originally stated, for less eye strain. Ease of reading when most of the info on vt100 and small terminals when needed most. 14" sceens were big... 12" was about average. IBM had 13" screens around 1989. Obviously he did not read lower case well... should have written in all caps. Probably still will run with scissors though.

Yes, I think 2019 and 2025 will have some rare 2 doors and trim options. So far 2019 2 door Rubicons are the lowest builds ever made. Less than 4k in the US. Even rarer are 2 door Canada and exports.

IMO if one plans on rarity being a good resale, generations might give up on manuals unless they are low milage museum peices. Yester year's rarity with color and engine combos is not going to be the main factor.

Body year, build numbers, and attritional availability will be the big factor. 1st year of JL and last year of JL... if there is a big effort to send a statement goodbye. Like the return of the Golden Eagle or create a new icon brand... Juggernaut, with 37s and to bring new features that will carry over into the new higher trimmed replacement model.

My picks for resale rarity will be Hemi, v6 8spd auto combo, 2 doors, any non green, black, white, grey color. Tan interior or factory redical delete option, leather, color matched fenders and hard top. All of course will require a window sticker or build sheet for proof. Stuff like that won't be much of a factor until 20 years have passed. In the early 70s Hemi cars were soon set to rot because of gas prices and better MPG engines and smaller cars. It took 20 years for them to be thought as valued to the average Joe.

Even with a collector guy I knew... he got a 70 Challenger convertible 440 six pac with air conditioning that was parked and stored for some time untouched in his garage. It was not his engine that he remarked about... a convertible with factory air was rare for a 70. Outside of a hemi he was very happy having found it for a good deal.

 

[blackwater]

A friend owns a 57 Corvette he got from Huey Lewis, rides like shit, but super cool as a head turner. He said it is worth over 100k. According to google, it sold new for under 4K. If a person put 4K into an SP index fund in 1957, it would be worth over 500k. I don’t think cars are ever a good investment, but a rare one is cool to own. Look at the Toyota FJ, ugly as hell, but now cool to own.

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