Next Generation Prediction

[yokramer]

You literally said the rail spacing changed multiple times? Where? How? The motor mounts are the same which also wouldn't work if the rails moved closer together for tire clearance. Are you admitting now that at least that part you were wrong about? Reprofiled where? Give one specific example. The 2024s are everywhere now, at this point I'd like to go see it. Again, maybe you saw some pre-production frame that literally none of those changes made it into production but for Christ's sake admit you were wrong as far as what is actually changed on the production mud-cycle refresh. The frame spacing didn't change period. Maybe some reprofiling, but you haven't even given a clear example of that.

And the Kicker that proves you're the one that doesn't know what the hell you're talking about....

Even mopar says the frame and all attached parts are the SAME. Note the only change from the 2018-2021s vs the 2022-2024s is the tire deflection bracket on the passengers side. Admit when you're wrong?

While this is irrefutable evidence to a normal person, Kevin will still not admit he could possibly be mistaken.

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[yokramer]

I already explained this further back in this thread, you can just go back and read it - the frame was reprofiled around the front wheel wells...I don't know the exact amount of change as I was not able to measure, and honestly don't care as much as you seem to. I don't see why any of these other things would have to change - the motor mount brackets could have just been changed to accommodate the frame rail profile and keep the motor(s) in the same place.

It's absolutely astonishing how important this is to three members. I've grown extremely tired of continually explaining things to a small group of members that are no position to be making demands of me. I'm done here...there's nothing more I can explain that isn't already explained in the thread, so if you really want to know, go back and read.

Oh is this where he disappears for a few days with his tail between his legs?

 

[Ratbert]

A couple of members egos were hurt by the information I shared so they took a couple facts and a few more opinions of mine, played whisper-down-the-alley, and turned my words into "the 2024 Wrangler is all new and will be not at all like the 2018-23 model".

Just a bit of a correction there. Yes, there were some relatively minor tweaks for 2024. What you were talking about, however, was explicitly model year 2023:

The 2023 model is a lot more than a "refresh". I don't know if FCA will call it "all-new" but it's definitely not a re-style. It's got an all new frame and tub. I don't know anything beyond that but logic dictates if that much is new than there could be A LOT more.

There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a new frame in 2023. Or in 2024.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a new tub in 2023. Or in 2024.

 

[yokramer]

Just a bit of a correction there. Yes, there were some relatively minor tweaks for 2024. What you were talking about, however, was explicitly model year 2023:



There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a new frame in 2023. Or in 2024.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a new tub in 2023. Or in 2024.

Dont you go using his words against him.

 

[Zandcwhite]

While this is irrefutable evidence to a normal person, Kevin will still not admit he could possibly be mistaken.

It's just delusional at that point. I've given him the out, maybe he really did see a pre-production unit that had all these changes? They sure as hell didn't make it to production according to what we can see looking at the 2024s and even looking at parts directly from jeep. Maybe he saw a JM frame for what's coming? Maybe he hallucinated the whole thing? The fact is the mid cycle refresh was a grill and some interior changes with no changes to the frame or tub.

 

[yokramer]

It's just delusional at that point. I've given him the out, maybe he really did see a pre-production unit that had all these changes? They sure as hell didn't make it to production according to what we can see looking at the 2024s and even looking at parts directly from jeep. Maybe he saw a JM frame for what's coming? Maybe he hallucinated the whole thing? The fact is the mid cycle refresh was a grill and some interior changes with no changes to the frame or tub.

And he 100% claimed that the 24 was going to have an all new tub and frame, yet keeps claiming he has said otherwise. This guy has some serious control issues for sure.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I already explained this further back in this thread, you can just go back and read it - the frame was reprofiled around the front wheel wells...I don't know the exact amount of change as I was not able to measure, and honestly don't care as much as you seem to. I don't see why any of these other things would have to change - the motor mount brackets could have just been changed to accommodate the frame rail profile and keep the motor(s) in the same place.

It's absolutely astonishing how important this is to three members. I've grown extremely tired of continually repeating myself. I'm done here...there's nothing more I can explain that isn't already explained in the thread, so if you really want to know, go back and read.

The part number is the sane for a 2024 frame, they didn't change anything period.
https://parts.moparonlineparts.com/...yistBPRe419bvh1VC8Q--Gjmu6NXYeIxoCRbsQAvD_BwE
According to mopar they didn't change anything. Regardless of what you saw, it didn't make it into production.

 

[jeepingib]

Just a bit of a correction there. Yes, there were some relatively minor tweaks for 2024. What you were talking about, however, was explicitly model year 2023:



There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a new frame in 2023. Or in 2024.
There doesn't seem to be any evidence of a new tub in 2023. Or in 2024.

And of those changes, none are anything close to what he has claimed. I recall him once saying that his inside person had something to do with the factory winch offering. Which would explain how he was looking at frame rails and fender liner clearance where those cables for power go. But that winch has been integrated without any substantial changes to that area. Only the ugly new grill.

 

[Ratbert]

I don't see why any of these other things would have to change - the motor mount brackets could have just been changed to accommodate the frame rail profile and keep the motor(s) in the same place.

Oh, so the motor mounts changed? I'm not claiming they didn't. Just that there'd be evidence that they're different now, right?

 

[TheRaven]

And the Kicker that proves you're the one that doesn't know what the hell you're talking about....

Even mopar says the frame and all attached parts are the SAME. Note the only change from the 2018-2021s vs the 2022-2024s is the tire deflection bracket on the passengers side. Admit when you're wrong? It's the information age, you can't claim things change that don't when we can literally pull up part numbers proving otherwise. The 2024 has the same frame as my 2022 period.

FYI...

old frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...sZXImeT0yMDIxJnQ9cnViaWNvbiZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

new frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...0JnQ9dW5saW1pdGVkLXNhaGFyYSZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

 

[yokramer]

FYI...

old frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...sZXImeT0yMDIxJnQ9cnViaWNvbiZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

new frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...0JnQ9dW5saW1pdGVkLXNhaGFyYSZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

So the 23-24 has the same exact frame because there were no changes for the 24 refresh, thanks for proving our point.

 

[jeepingib]

FYI...

old frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...sZXImeT0yMDIxJnQ9cnViaWNvbiZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

new frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...0JnQ9dW5saW1pdGVkLXNhaGFyYSZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

Yet unchanged for the 2.0L...

Again goes against your claims of more than a refresh when only one engine package is even effected by it.

 

[Zandcwhite]

FYI...

old frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...sZXImeT0yMDIxJnQ9cnViaWNvbiZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

new frame:
https://store.mopar.com/oem-parts/m...0JnQ9dW5saW1pdGVkLXNhaGFyYSZlPTMtNmwtdjYtZ2Fz

They love to change part numbers with no changes, order a 2024 frame and.... it's the same as a 2022 or 2023 period. Those both show as unavailable as they superceded those part numbers with the one that covers all 3 years. Again there's no difference visible looking at a 2024 and originally you claimed all new, then different rail spacing, then back tracked that to just reprofiled in the wheel wells only, and turns out even that didn't happen.

 

[Zandcwhite]

https://parts.moparonlineparts.com/...bly-68534625ac?c=bD0zJm49U2VhcmNoIFJlc3VsdHM=
Here's the actual currently available production frame that covers 2022-2024 with the 3.6L. Again, 2024s exist and any reprofiling for tire clearance would be visible without crawling underneath. It didn't happen period. Dude literally said "all new frame and tub" and yet now the difference is so small that you can't see it or measure it and the parts are all the same?

 

[jeepingib]

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