New CJ ?

[2nd 392]

The guys at FLT just put a video of that out. It's a IIRC concept from 2016, based on a JK 2dr.
Interesting that Jeep brought it back to '24 EJS.
It's pretty cool IMO, but so much is stripped out that it could never be sold for street duty in today's automotive world... it's too bad, really.

I doubt if Jeep would consider it if they couldn’t add just enough to make it legal to sell. Why do it if not ? ?

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[rohdawg]

Here's a link, in case yours doesn't work. Damn, Jeep dusted this JK based concept off and brought it out to the EJS, makes you go Hmmmm.

Jeep May Have a More Budget-Friendly Wrangler in the Works (msn.com)

Makes me think they brought a few of the older concepts to fill the gaps this year.

Cool idea, but after adding everything they’d be required to it wouldn’t resemble the concept anymore.

“Porkchop” from 2010 was also pretty sweet

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Well, the Gladiator is a sales failure, and the plant is next to the JK plant. Since we are just speculating now, Imagine the JL production moved to the more modern JL plant, and the current JL plant being lightly refitted and used for a version of this rebooted CJ.

If that happened, Jeep could move Wrangler up the food chain, then try building a smaller, more plain (also less expensive) Jeep for the demand that exists for one. If the sales don't make it work out, it was not a big gamble to begin with. Jeep is going to have to do something with the Gladiator factory, and/or the JL factory. They can't get the precision and QC out of the current Wrangler factory that they would need to compete with the Defender or Ineos Grenadier.

BTW, There's a guy who lives somewhere close to me that has a Grenadier, I've seen it on the road a few times now. It's appears to be a very cool vehicle.

Also, as I have posted before. Mahindra didn't build an brand new Roxor factory in the US just to sell low volume, so called side by sides. In my opinion, they very much have an interest in moving into the area the was fulfilled by the CJs, YJ and TJ. I would also further speculate that they want to build no nonsense trucks here in the US as well.

So, maybe pulling an 8 year old concept out and showing it to the public is not just Jeep trying to fill the truck going to EJS.

Of course, I say again, this is all speculation. I don't know anyone at Jeep corporate. Just a guy sitting back and watching what's happening.

 

[2nd 392]

Well, the Gladiator is a sales failure, and the plant is next to the JK plant. Since we are just speculating now, Imagine the JL production moved to the more modern JL plant, and the current JL plant being lightly refitted and used for a version of this rebooted CJ.

If that happened, Jeep could move Wrangler up the food chain, then try building a smaller, more plain (also less expensive) Jeep for the demand that exists for one. If the sales don't make it work out, it was not a big gamble to begin with. Jeep is going to have to do something with the Gladiator factory, and/or the JL factory. They can't get the precision and QC out of the current Wrangler factory that they would need to compete with the Defender or Ineos Grenadier.

BTW, There's a guy who lives somewhere close to me that has a Grenadier, I've seen it on the road a few times now. It's appears to be a very cool vehicle.

Also, as I have posted before. Mahindra didn't build an brand new Roxor factory in the US just to sell low volume, so called side by sides. In my opinion, they very much have an interest in moving into the area the was fulfilled by the CJs, YJ and TJ. I would also further speculate that they want to build no nonsense trucks here in the US as well.

So, maybe pulling an 8 year old concept out and showing it to the public is not just Jeep trying to fill the truck going to EJS.

Of course, I say again, this is all speculation. I don't know anyone at Jeep corporate. Just a guy sitting back and watching what's happening.

Well thought out, but a couple questions. Wouldn’t moving the JL’s production in the same vicinity be like moving the Titanic’s deck chairs for QC issues ?
Mahindra built the 3B until 01 and know how, and are much cheaper for the Thar, but would having to meet all US compliance standards, regs, testing , labor cost, on and on close the gap to the brand name vs generic level ?

 

[autotragic]

Well thought out, but a couple questions. Wouldn’t moving the JL’s production in the same vicinity be like moving the Titanic’s deck chairs for QC issues ?
Mahindra built the 3B until 01 and know how, and are much cheaper for the Thar, but would having to meet all US compliance standards, regs, testing , labor cost, on and on close the gap to the brand name vs generic level ?

If Ford can build and sell the Maverick for the price that they do there's no reason that a Wrangler or a smaller Wrangler can't cost the same. In fact the Wrangler sport should be about the same cost as a Ford Maverick. I think the only reason that it doesn't cost less is because Jeep and the their corporate parents have just gotten greedy over the years. I mean really when the JL first came out back in 2018 it cost a lot less money than it does now and generally speaking when it comes to manufacturing in volume things get cheaper with time not more expensive.

 

[2nd 392]

If Ford can build and sell the Maverick for the price that they do there's no reason that a Wrangler or a smaller Wrangler can't cost the same. In fact the Wrangler sport should be about the same cost as a Ford Maverick. I think the only reason that it doesn't cost less is because Jeep and the their corporate parents have just gotten greedy over the years. I mean really when the JL first came out back in 2018 it cost a lot less money than it does now and generally speaking when it comes to manufacturing in volume things get cheaper with time not more expensive.

Can’t argue with that logic. But can amend, my 21 has all the bells and whistles of my GC except the electric seat, (edit-and auto up windows ?) now standard, the others already were. Many I wouldn’t have gotten if they were options . Yet threads on the issue have even “enthusiasts”clamoring for more and bigger and auto everything down to heated gear shift knobs. They are being supplied … at a price, want it or not. Then doubled down on by Jeep with trim jump if you want otherwise unavailable option A. In some ways us customers have also become the enabler’s.

 

[THAW]

I watched a video of the Concept Presentation, and the Senior Manager for Jeep Design said the old Shortcut "tells a little bit of a story of how we got to this" new Willys Dispatcher concept "in the sense of some of the early civilian heritage." There were 3 other previous concepts displayed in the background and mentioned (1 other "heritage" and 2 "hot rod").

Jeep has a history of hosting journalist/creator trail runs with old concept vehicles at EJS.

So, other than wishful thinking and clickbait, why does the writer assign extra meaning to the reappearance of the 2016 Shortcut?

 

[2nd 392]

I watched a video of the Concept Presentation and the Senior Manager for Jeep Design said the old Shortcut "tells a little bit of a story of how we got to this" new Willys Dispatcher concept "in the sense of some of the early civilian heritage." There were 3 other previous concepts displayed in the background and mentioned (1 other "heritage" and 2 "hot rod").

Jeep has a history of hosting journalist/creator trail runs with old concepts at EJS.

So, other than wishful thinking and clickbait, why does the writer assign extra meaning to the reappearance of the 2016 Shortcut?

To hook fish… like me ?

if it’s too good to be true…. forgot that one

 

[THAW]

To hook fish… like me ?

Can't fault you for that. Great looking concept vehicle, and clearly holds up 8 years later.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Well thought out, but a couple questions. Wouldn’t moving the JL’s production in the same vicinity be like moving the Titanic’s deck chairs for QC issues ?
Mahindra built the 3B until 01 and know how, and are much cheaper for the Thar, but would having to meet all US compliance standards, regs, testing , labor cost, on and on close the gap to the brand name vs generic level ?

The Gladiator is built in a newer, more modern facility. The Wrangler is built in the same facility that started building WWII Jeeps. Of course nothing inside is the same, but I suspect that some compromises have been made over the years. The last major overhaul was between the YJ and TJ when there was no 1996 year model.

It would be interesting to compare QC between both plants, especially when it come to fit and finish, and if the Gladiator suffers hinge corrosion at the same rate as the JL.

 

[2nd 392]

Can't fault you for that. Great looking concept vehicle, and clearly holds up 8 years later.

You believe what you want to believe—
I plead guilty.

 

[Fast-n-Furious]

 

[2nd 392]

I watched a video of the Concept Presentation, and the Senior Manager for Jeep Design said the old Shortcut "tells a little bit of a story of how we got to this" new Willys Dispatcher concept "in the sense of some of the early civilian heritage."

Uhh- the “Shortcut” is a 2 dr cut down to CJ5 length, is not the Willys Dispatcher a 4 dr ?
Senior Manager for Jeep Design

 

[THAW]

Uhh- the “Shortcut” is a 2 dr cut down to CJ5 length, is not the Willys Dispatcher a 4 dr ?
Senior Manager for Jeep Design

Your meter is properly calibrated. ?

But, he said something about it being a 4xe and they're not going to make a 2dr 4xe, that they were going for showing "where we've been versus where we are" and the Dispatcher nameplate has some sort of connection to old Willys.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

In a triumph for Jeep paint engineers/chemists, they solved the door hinge corrosion permanently on that concept by simply not putting doors on it.

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