Need help deciding - diesel, gas or e?

[Sazabi19]

So, the 3.6L is good for nothing?

Having it in my JT, it excels at nothing is the real takeaway. If you want runner up in almost every aspect, then that's your winner.

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[dragoneggs]

Having it in my JT, it excels at nothing is the real takeaway. If you want runner up in almost every aspect, then that's your winner.

Ease to work on?
Cost of repairs?
Proven commodity?

 

[ebass_JLUD]

I like my JLURD, torque monster and good range. You won't save any money on fuel, not even just because of prices but the oil filter and 9 qrt of euro spec. Also a fuel filter every other oil change.

 

[zouch]

OK, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just trolling, it sounds like you're not familiar with that of which you're speaking.

WARNING; OFF-TOPIC.


much confusion demonstrated here; i'd suggest again you get familiar with the topics before you continue spouting about them.
let me try to clarify some of the inaccuracies here.

to try to equate Waste Veggie Oil with BioDiesel is like saying raw Crude Petroleum is the same as #2 diesel.

FWIW, Renewable Diesel isn't necessarily even made with Vegetable stocks; it is typically made with Renderings as well. (note; very NON-Veggie.)

BioDiesel may be made with either Straight Veggie Oil (SVO) or Waste Veggie Oil (WVO).
using either WVO or SVO as fuel requires some serious modifications to an appropriate vehicle to deal with its higher viscosity (usually meaning a heated mechanical fuel delivery system). in no way would Veggie Oil in any form be suitable for use in our modern high-pressure Common Rail Diesels.

admittedly, to further confuse things, some states have actually redefined the term "Biodiesel" to mean any mixture of veggie-based BioDiesel and Petroleum Diesel, generally designated by the percentage of BioDiesel mixed in with it (ex.: B20 = 20% BioDiesel blended with 80% PetroDiesel).

yes, BioDiesel and Veggie Oil are both chemically refined. one is a Methyl Ester made through a process called Transesterification to be used as motor fuel.
the other is chemically refined (if it's poor-quality oil) to be used for Cooking.

if you want to be silly about it, go far enough back and you, i, and all the engines being discussed here were just part of a gas cloud. doesn't mean they're all the same. ?

Is there?
Both are plant based.
Both are chemically refined.

Hell, the oil that comes out of the ground was plant based at one point.

 

[Antonio]

I would wait for the new 3.0 turbo inline 6 motor. It’s due out soon and it’s gonna be a torque monster like all inline 6’s fuel economy should be higher was well with the single turbo. Or you can get it in the twin turbo

I agree, the new order banks for MY 23 will open June 15 th I would at least wait it out till then to see what new options and if there are even any, are gonna be available before making a decision on which direction to go, in my opinion I think before considering any of the available engines is to come up with what you really want as a jeep trim and what you plan to do with your jeep, what will best fit your needs, if fuel economy is more of a concern to you vs HP power, or pricing for your budget etc that and also test drive them! We’re all here sharing options and opinions which is great but ultimately you’ll be the one who has to be happy with what you’ll choose, best of luck!

 

[lowmpg]

IMHO Go gas. Until there is a full hybrid, I don't see the point of the 4xe and the diesel is pointless in a vehicle that can't tow (seriously I don't think I have ever seen a tow rating so low for a diesel vehicle), especially when you have a FI option in the lineup. Not to mention diesel fuel prices are absurd right now even with the minimal MPG increase you'll get from the oil burner. Gas is plenty for a Wrangler, no need to option out of that drivetrain IMO -- however if you go oil burner, it is simpler to get more power out of through a tune if that is what you're in to.

 

[Astro Jeep]

Yes I have to add DEF and drain water every single day, it's really quite a chore. Oh wait, no it isn't. If we're talking needs vs wants, why is OP even considering a Wrangler? No one needs a Wrangler, they're purely wants.

I NEED a Wrangler,

 

[zouch]

i don't know if "worthless" is appropriate; one major point i don't remember having seen anyone mention yet is *range*.

as someone who is known to play in places where we might spend 150+ miles at a time away from the pavement, i liked the EcoDiesel because there weren't any other options that offered comparable or better range on a tank.

400+ miles on a tank wasn't out of the question in stock trim (though of course everything we do to them to prep them for better off-road seems to make a dent in that).

IMHO Go gas. Until there is a full hybrid, I don't see the point of the 4xe and the diesel is pointless in a vehicle that can't tow (seriously I don't think I have ever seen a tow rating so low for a diesel vehicle), especially when you have a FI option in the lineup. Not to mention diesel fuel prices are absurd right now even with the minimal MPG increase you'll get from the oil burner. Gas is plenty for a Wrangler, no need to option out of that drivetrain IMO -- however if you go oil burner, it is simpler to get more power out of through a tune if that is what you're in to.

 

[Sazabi19]

Ease to work on?
Cost of repairs?
Proven commodity?

Except the magic snail, what's so extra complicated about it to work on? Serious question. As someone who doesn't work on their engine (and I'm sure I'm in the massive majority) it's not anymore complicated to me. You can make the same argument for a manual transmission but it doesn't make me want it any more.

 

[GtX]

OK, trying to give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not just trolling, it sounds like you're not familiar with that of which you're speaking.

WARNING; OFF-TOPIC.


much confusion demonstrated here; i'd suggest again you get familiar with the topics before you continue spouting about them.
let me try to clarify some of the inaccuracies here.

to try to equate Waste Veggie Oil with BioDiesel is like saying raw Crude Petroleum is the same as #2 diesel.

FWIW, Renewable Diesel isn't necessarily even made with Vegetable stocks; it is typically made with Renderings as well. (note; very NON-Veggie.)

BioDiesel may be made with either Straight Veggie Oil (SVO) or Waste Veggie Oil (WVO).
using either WVO or SVO as fuel requires some serious modifications to an appropriate vehicle to deal with its higher viscosity (usually meaning a heated mechanical fuel delivery system). in no way would Veggie Oil in any form be suitable for use in our modern high-pressure Common Rail Diesels.

admittedly, to further confuse things, some states have actually redefined the term "Biodiesel" to mean any mixture of veggie-based BioDiesel and Petroleum Diesel, generally designated by the percentage of BioDiesel mixed in with it (ex.: B20 = 20% BioDiesel blended with 80% PetroDiesel).

yes, BioDiesel and Veggie Oil are both chemically refined. one is a Methyl Ester made through a process called Transesterification to be used as motor fuel.
the other is chemically refined (if it's poor-quality oil) to be used for Cooking.

if you want to be silly about it, go far enough back and you, i, and all the engines being discussed here were just part of a gas cloud. doesn't mean they're all the same. ?

Truth is I don't care.
Fill it, burn it, enjoy the torque.

When the planet has had enough of us it'll kill us. Ive made peace with this along time ago and have planned accordingly.

My only goal was to see if you'd type progressively longer replies. I win!

 

[zouch]

pretty much what i figured.

you call that winning?
how sad.

Truth is I don't care.
Fill it, burn it, enjoy the torque.

When the planet has had enough of us it'll kill us. Ive made peace with this along time ago and have planned accordingly.

My only goal was to see if you'd type progressively longer replies. I win!

 

[Ratbert]

pretty much what i figured.

you call that winning?
how sad.

Agreed. As @zouch suspected, @GtX is just trolling.

How sad indeed.

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