More Stellantis Problems

[Deleted User 38384]

Battery life is not the immediate problem.

Battery range is though.

Imagine spending an extra $10,000 to $20,000 on a 4xE and only getting a 20 mile EV range. Most of the other plug-in hybrids out there on the market right now, while not bolstering off-road capabilities, have double the EV range if not more, many of which for significantly less dollars spent on vehicle purchase price.

It should be interesting seeing what kind of range the 2025 Mercedes G Wagon gets with its new 48 volt mild hybrid system. Obviously that's a completely different price range, but it does bolster the off-road capabilities that the Wrangler has.

Maybe those innovators over at Jeep and Stellantis will recognize that following the pack isn't the best choice, especially when you do it worse than everyone else.

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[Riverjeep]

While we're at it let's combine all of these ridiculous number of repetitive tire, lift and paint corrosion threads.

Yeah, I guess the nature of a forum is just keep throwing stuff on it no matter how repetitive.

 

[Windshieldfarmer]

Because they haven't been in widespread use long enough. Lithium Ion batteries have a limited number of charge cycles in them, doesn't matter if it's an EV an eBike or a cell phone. It's just chemistry.

Battery management systems on autos are far more sophisticated than those used on phones, e-bikes, etc, which helps extend life. Tesla has been producing autos for 12+ years and battery degradation is pretty much a non issue. In fact, Tesla’s bigger problem has been motor failure, often every 150,000 miles. That said EV motors are relatively easy to swap…and far less expensive than a gasoline engine. Many of us won’t keep any car for more than 100,000 miles so longevity is usually not an issue regardless of method of drive.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Battery range is though.

Imagine spending an extra $10,000 to $20,000 on a 4xE and only getting a 20 mile EV range. Most of the other plug-in hybrids out there on the market right now, while not bolstering off-road capabilities, have double the EV range if not more, many of which for significantly less dollars spent on vehicle purchase price.

It should be interesting seeing what kind of range the 2025 Mercedes G Wagon gets with its new 48 volt mild hybrid system. Obviously that's a completely different price range, but it does bolster the off-road capabilities that the Wrangler has.

Maybe those innovators over at Jeep and Stellantis will recognize that following the pack isn't the best choice, especially when you do it worse than everyone else.

20 mile electric range, this is like saying the Wrangler only get 5 mpg off road, the electric range is for city driving where the Wrangler suffers with 14-15 mpg, and a PHEV is for people that do the bulk of their driving in the city, but want the ability to do the odd long trip.

No one should be cross shopping a Wrangler with a g wagen, the Defender is more in line with the Wrangler, guess what it also get 20 mile range.

Alternatively you have the option of getting double the electric range with a Lamborghini Urus, but that comes at 5 times the price.

More range compromises the Wrangler, and also jacks up the price.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

...the Defender is more in line with the Wrangler, guess what it also get 20 mile range...

I wouldn't compare defender to a wrangler. That's like comparing a golden toilet to the shit in the center of it.

 

[JL.FR]

If the 4Xe (all hybrid) exists it is not for the satisfaction of customers, manufacturers have the obligation, in Europe and the US to globally reduce the CO2 emissions of their production. And avoid the heavy financial penalties associated. If they could make the cars work with the wind ...

 

[BXFXJeep]

If the 4Xe (all hybrid) exists it is not for the satisfaction of customers, manufacturers have the obligation, in Europe and the US to globally reduce the CO2 emissions of their production. And avoid the heavy financial penalties associated. If they could make the cars work with the wind ...

The PHEVs don't exactly reduce C02, PHEVs are capitalizing on a loophole that have gas guzzlers masquerading as efficient vehicles, and everyone knows it.

HEVs on the other had are great at efficiency.

There are hybrids, and then there are hybrids, all hybrids are not equal.

No one wants to reduce C02, they are just using that as a scheme to get people out of private vehicles and on to the city bus, the people that scream the most about global warming, are the same people that have the highest carbon footprint.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

If the 4Xe (all hybrid) exists it is not for the satisfaction of customers, manufacturers have the obligation, in Europe and the US to globally reduce the CO2 emissions of their production. And avoid the heavy financial penalties associated. If they could make the cars work with the wind ...

Sadly it's not actually about a emissions, if it was then they would be trying to tackle this issue...

...but instead everyone's busy ignoring the bigger issue because there's no money in it.

Go figure, it's not about saving the planet and lowering CO2 emissions, it's about making money.

If they really cared about emissions, they wouldn't be creating these ridiculously heavy hybrid vehicles, which as stated above, creates more tire pollution then a lighter weight non-hybrid vehicle.

 

[Windshieldfarmer]

Sadly it's not actually about a emissions, if it was then they would be trying to tackle this issue...

...but instead everyone's busy ignoring the bigger issue because there's no money in it.

Go figure, it's not about saving the planet and lowering CO2 emissions, it's about making money.

If they really cared about emissions, they wouldn't be creating these ridiculously heavy hybrid vehicles, which as stated above, creates more tire pollution then a lighter weight non-hybrid vehicle.

If The Washington Post or The Guardian are cited as a source I immediately disregard because of bias and lack of investigative integrity.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

If The Washington Post or The Guardian are cited as a source I immediately disregard because of bias and lack of investigative integrity.

I'm not going to do your Google searches for you, the company you need to look into is "Emissions Analytics". They did the study.



I can't help you out for news agencies that you personally don't like reporting a study that has nothing to do with them. I mean you can convince yourself of anything you want, doesn't mean it's not true.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

@Windshieldfarmer looks like I'm feeling generous today guy:

https://www.emissionsanalytics.com/news/gaining-traction-losing-tread

It's too bad too because your response is the normal response, which is why nothing is being done about this. When people are met with something that they haven't been told, that goes against everything they've heard, most people look the other way and find an excuse as to why they shouldn't be bothered to care.
In your case it was two of the news agencies who reported about the study.

Well lucky for you I'm the kind of guy who likes to learn and gain information whether it's convenient or not. Feel free to read the link, feel free not to, I don't really care what you do, we're all going to burn anyways.

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