Manual Pains

[Ratbert]

Here's a decent summary of the pains associated with our manual transmissions. I only lived through one of the recalls on mine.

https://www.theautopian.com/jeep-sc...sion-and-still-cant-get-it-right-years-later/

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[68Jeepster]

Here's a decent summary of the pains associated with our manual transmissions. I only lived through one of the recalls on mine.

https://www.theautopian.com/jeep-sc...sion-and-still-cant-get-it-right-years-later/

I guess that explains why my 2023 was still on the lot in March 2024. It must have gone through the stop sale.

The service advisor said my clutch assembly has been replaced. I haven't had any issues with the warning lights or going into limp mode but I haven't had it in 4WD for more than a few miles either.

It was reassuring to hear where others had problems with stalling it. I've been driving a stick all my life and after a couple months I still have trouble with smooth takeoffs. It doesn't buck a little when you're not giving it enough gas, the engine just dies so that leads me to give it a few more rpms at take off. Add to the mix that the pressure on the clutch is so light compared to what I've been used to. Maybe that's part of the problem and folks are revving it too high trying to keep it from stalling.

 

[Jeep Wick]

Here's a decent summary of the pains associated with our manual transmissions. I only lived through one of the recalls on mine.

https://www.theautopian.com/jeep-sc...sion-and-still-cant-get-it-right-years-later/

I had my manual 2020 Rubicon for 4 years... I never brought it in for any recalls. The clutch and transmission never missed a beat. I'm not saying folks haven't had trouble, but it seems like the new software is really more of a problem than the clutch ever was. Dealers are screwing these up.

 

[JLRyder]

I had my manual 2020 Rubicon for 4 years... I never brought it in for any recalls. The clutch and transmission never missed a beat. I'm not saying folks haven't had trouble, but it seems like the new software is really more of a problem than the clutch ever was. Dealers are screwing these up.

Same, no dealer no issues. 2019 going on 70k.

 

[Sidewalk]

Mine is low miles, '22 with 15k. But zero problems and I think the clutch action is fine.

 

[SlickTX]

I had my manual 2020 Rubicon for 4 years... I never brought it in for any recalls. The clutch and transmission never missed a beat. I'm not saying folks haven't had trouble, but it seems like the new software is really more of a problem than the clutch ever was. Dealers are screwing these up.

my 2022 Sahara has the recall posted for it but the more I read the less inclined I am to take it in.

 

[Fatfreewilly]

I guess that explains why my 2023 was still on the lot in March 2024. It must have gone through the stop sale.

The service advisor said my clutch assembly has been replaced. I haven't had any issues with the warning lights or going into limp mode but I haven't had it in 4WD for more than a few miles either.

It was reassuring to hear where others had problems with stalling it. I've been driving a stick all my life and after a couple months I still have trouble with smooth takeoffs. It doesn't buck a little when you're not giving it enough gas, the engine just dies so that leads me to give it a few more rpms at take off. Add to the mix that the pressure on the clutch is so light compared to what I've been used to. Maybe that's part of the problem and folks are revving it too high trying to keep it from stalling.

5k miles into a 2024, and I still swear it's one of the easiest manuals to stall I've ever driven.

I got 155k out of my JK stock clutch before I sold it and it still holding strong; I don't see this JL clutch lasting that long.

 

[AcesandEights]

I've had two, a 2021 and a 2022, with no trans/clutch related issues.

 

[UncleArt]

I just bought a ‘22 JLR in Jan. It now has about 13,000 miles on it. Thankfully the recall has not been done on it. I’ve had no problems. I’m reasonably happy with how it feels - but it’s been 30 years since I drove a manual. So I don’t have good context for comparison.
The clutch does feel somewhat anemic; and I often wonder if this is why a lot of people burn up their clutches. It’s hard to feel when it starts grabbing & can be easy to slip it too much. My guess is there is not a problem with the clutch itself; but with how the clutch feels. Their software fix for this is a cheap way out for them.
For me, I likely will upgrade my clutch before I have any problems with the OEM one.

 

[siggy]

AI written article? Saw the photo of the 392. If that came in a manual, you’d see me in that minivan so quick!

I could then start a thread about having to downshift on the interstate. All the former Jeep manual owners would lose it! What?! You have to shift a manual? You mean 6th gear can’t run 0-90 mph, rock crawl, and go in reverse? Mind blown.

 

[Powelligator]

In my small, one man humble opinion, the root cause of this entire fiasco is the use of a very light flywheel. With low rotational mass on the business end of the engine it is really easy to stall if the clutch pedal / gas pedal dance is not done just right. I've been driving manual transmission vehicles from my teenage years on up and I stalled my '22 JL in the first month of ownership more times than the sum total of all the manuals I've driven in my life. I'm used to it now, but it was a bit of a learning experience at first. Without a heavier flywheel I suspect that a lot of drivers tend to rev out the engine more, slip the clutch more, and heat up the clutch. That said, a heavier flywheel probably contributes towards a lover CAFE rating for the vehicle, so here we are.

 

[UncleArt]

In my small, one man humble opinion, the root cause of this entire fiasco is the use of a very light flywheel. With low rotational mass on the business end of the engine it is really easy to stall if the clutch pedal / gas pedal dance is not done just right. I've been driving manual transmission vehicles from my teenage years on up and I stalled my '22 JL in the first month of ownership more times than the sum total of all the manuals I've driven in my life. I'm used to it now, but it was a bit of a learning experience at first. Without a heavier flywheel I suspect that a lot of drivers tend to rev out the engine more, slip the clutch more, and heat up the clutch. That said, a heavier flywheel probably contributes towards a lover CAFE rating for the vehicle, so here we are.

I wholeheartedly agree with this assessment! After 4 months of owning my ‘22, I rarely stall it anymore. It’s been quite the learning curve for me as well.

 

[Jmos4]

Hi,

Have a 22 JLUR 6mt factory 4.88's and aftermarket 35 12.50's. Got 43,000 miles on it no issues been driving manual transmissions for most of my adult life. That said took a bit to get use to the clutch and stalled it a time or two

Personal I suspect the issue is the non Rubicons come with 3.45's and taller tires is hard on the clutch. Even stock tires that is not the best gearing.

Doubt I will get any recalls done as don't trust others to do it correctly, way too many horror stories about oil changes let alone transmission removal...

Regards,
Jim

 

[Ratbert]

Personal I suspect the issue is the non Rubicons come with 3.45's and taller tires is hard on the clutch. Even stock tires that is not the best gearing.

Unfortunately it wasn't any better in my Rubicon with 4.10s and 33s.

 

[Old Jeeper]

2023 first time in my life I have not owned a stick shift and I sure miss it. Learned to drive on a Ford 9N tractor back in 62.

Clutch is simple going back to the very early 1900s and all cars and truck, yet in 2018 >. Jeep cannot get it right. Maybe some of those Jeep engineers the first they drive a Jeep it was a JK Auto.

As an engineer in multiple fields I will tell ya, if you have not 'driven' it then you most likely cannot fix it either and that goes from vehicles to software (my 2 areas of expertise.

In 1984 I bought a new 1985 Jeep Cherokee and it was as far as I know the year for all these sensors. It was an in dash display with a list of things and a red light would light up if it was bad.

I put 140k miles on that Jeep, loved it. But the red lights lit up every day and no dealer I took it to could ever fix it.

Jeep IMO has always had issue with sensors and throwing codes.

This is why my next Jeep will be a TJR. That said my 2023 TJR and my 2024 TJR have been near perfect (the only issue was the TPMS on my 2024 and turns out the Mech in the ship thought he could adjust the code and on the 4th or 5th time I forced them to install all in sensors TPMS. Works perfect ever since.

Maybe it's an engineering issue by an engineer who has never driven a stick.

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