Long wait times for orders? Why?

[JeepFiend]

I'm not personally buying it's parts shortages or covid issues. Jeeps ordered way after mine with same or similar builds have been produced rather quickly while my 11/1 order is supposedly scheduled for 4/1 build date. If it was personnel shortages from covid they wouldn't be sending folks home and laying off shifts. I could be wrong, but I feel like that's just the easy excuse at this point, because nobody really knows why FCA does what it does. It's a crap shoot. Roll your dice, hope for the best. Some times you get snake eyes.

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[AcesandEights]

I can see the logic in the waiting for build two months before building started argument, but if I'd ordered in October, my expectation would have been that they started collecting parts THEN. That way after two months of waiting for the new model to start, the 1st orders in line would have parts waiting, and they were sold orders with low number VINs. The two months of backed up orders should have been out the door unless parts were missing. It's puzzling the way they actually started production.

My order has been built, and it's later than some and earlier than some, but there were VIN numbers way after mine being delivered to dealers in January when mine was in D1. Again, puzzling how that works.

They didn't stop production in October, so they weren't setting aside parts for 2022 builds. In fact, they (as do all auto manufacturers) use a JIT (Just-In-Time)/Lean manufacturing model. They receive the parts to build your Jeep within the week your Jeep is built. Toyoda (Toyota) created the model that parts arrive, sometimes within hours of the build so that a manufacturer doesn't have stock sitting on shelves, which is capital outlay. So, your Jeep, ordered in October, wouldn't have been scheduled until...probably January. Parts wouldn't be ordered to build your Jeep until January. Manufacturing of 2021 models was ongoing up to the day(s) of switch-over to 2022. There are a few days at most when they change-over from one model year to the next.

So, if you have a 2022 order in October, it's much like the gleam in your parents eyes. You're not actually conceived until you're actually conceived. Your Jeep is just a gleam in your eyes until it is scheduled, and that's within days of the parts being received for manufacture.

GTS just-in-time manufacturing and you'll understand at least how that portion works. It also means when there is a glitch, it f*cks up the whole system...and you have, like Ford, an Ice Mountain of vehicles that show as built, but can't be shipped. When JIT works, it's much like Henry Ford's assembly line, very efficient and effective manufacturing.

 

[Traveller128]

They didn't stop production in October, so they weren't setting aside parts for 2022 builds. In fact, they (as do all auto manufacturers) use a JIT (Just-In-Time)/Lean manufacturing model. They receive the parts to build your Jeep within the week your Jeep is built. Toyoda (Toyota) created the model that parts arrive, sometimes within hours of the build so that a manufacturer doesn't have stock sitting on shelves, which is capital outlay. So, your Jeep, ordered in October, wouldn't have been scheduled until...probably January. Parts wouldn't be ordered to build your Jeep until January. Manufacturing of 2021 models was ongoing up to the day(s) of switch-over to 2022. There are a few days at most when they change-over from one model year to the next.

So, if you have a 2022 order in October, it's much like the gleam in your parents eyes. You're not actually conceived until you're actually conceived. Your Jeep is just a gleam in your eyes until it is scheduled, and that's within days of the parts being received for manufacture.

GTS just-in-time manufacturing and you'll understand at least how that portion works. It also means when there is a glitch, it f*cks up the whole system...and you have, like Ford, an Ice Mountain of vehicles that show as built, but can't be shipped. When JIT works, it's much like Henry Ford's assembly line, very efficient and effective manufacturing.

I didn't order until 2 days before they started production, and watched others that ordered a month later go by me. No big deal, I was prepared for a 3 -4 month wait, I was told 8-12, and then 12-16 weeks. If it ships in the next couple, we'll be right on track.

But, if I'd ordered in October, I would have expected to be 2 months earlier in line when production started. Otherwise, why get in line if you can just wait at home longer and then bump into the line when the show starts?

I understand just in time, I made a lot of money off of it years ago when it (typically) got close to shutting a line down and someone was wiling to pay at least triple freight rates to have a truck make an emergency run to keep a line from shutting down. That happened A LOT. I can't imagine that warehousing at least a 1 week supply of something wouldn't have reduced costs over paying huge freight rates to overnight full truckloads of parts on racks.

 

[AcesandEights]

This is an older media release, but illustrates Toledo's "just-in-time" manufacturing (the parts to build your Jeep are received at the time your Jeep is built).
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/attachments/autosupplychaincase10_30_09-final-pdf.342826/

Your Jeep is built in 13.57 hours (this was the standard when the article was written). The old vs new process:

A traditional manufacturing operation would have received a truck load of parts and followed the following process.

1. Unload the containers/racks from the truck and place them in the staging area.
2. Check the parts against the invoice to make sure what was ordered is what was shipped.
3. Determine which items are needed immediately on the assembly line and take those parts to the assembly line
4. Take the parts that are needed another day and put them into inventory.
5. Record that information into the inventory management system.
6. When those parts are needed, send a worker to pick them and take them to the line.
7. Whether the items got to the assembly line from the staging area in item 3 or were picked from inventory, someone at the assembly line must sequence them so they are installed in the correct vehicle.

With Sequenced-Part-Delivery (SPD), Chrysler has to do the following.
1. Unload the containers/racks and take them directly to the assembly line
2. The assembler takes the items in sequence and installs it. A bar code on the part is read automatically to determine that the sequence is correct. It is nearly every time.

 

[Traveller128]

Ford was bad about it in 2001, and I'm sure their logistics system is still problematic. They just can't seem to streamline at that place. All the capacity to produce they need, and they can't get the freight right. I knew people that worked there (rubbed elbows hauling their stuff for trade shows) and they all said changing anything at that place is like pulling teeth from a very pissed off jungle animal.

 

[IntrepidXJ]

nobody really knows why FCA does what it does.

I'm sure most people at FCA have no idea either. It's probably just a software application that decides when each vehicle is built based on many different variables (parts availability, shipping region, etc...).

 

[Titocval]

I'm not personally buying it's parts shortages or covid issues. Jeeps ordered way after mine with same or similar builds have been produced rather quickly while my 11/1 order is supposedly scheduled for 4/1 build date. If it was personnel shortages from covid they wouldn't be sending folks home and laying off shifts. I could be wrong, but I feel like that's just the easy excuse at this point, because nobody really knows why FCA does what it does. It's a crap shoot. Roll your dice, hope for the best. Some times you get snake eyes.

11/1 order, scheduled for build on 4/1? Ugh. That doesn't bode well for those of us who are still in 'D'. (Mid-Nov. order here). With the average up-to-a month delivery time after assembly, I guess that means those of us who haven't heard anything yet shouldn't anticipate getting vehicles until May, if we're lucky. I feel bad for those who really need their Jeep.

 

[JeepFiend]

11/1 order, scheduled for build on 4/1? Ugh. That doesn't bode well for those of us who are still in 'D'. (Mid-Nov. order here). With the average up-to-a month delivery time after assembly, I guess that means those of us who haven't heard anything yet shouldn't anticipate getting vehicles until May, if we're lucky. I feel bad for those who really need their Jeep.

Don't take it as an implication of what is to come for others. A lot of vehicles are being spun out and delivered inside of a month. It's more just that I don't think any one thing is holding up orders other than issues with logistics and poor inventory management.

 

[Slaw32]

I ordered a Willys with almost all the options on Nov 5 . I was told not to expect it untill april . I called jeep cares this morning and had them check . All parts have been gathered and it is in production . From what I have been seeing on this site , shipping can be a lengthy process . I'll be pleasantly surprised if it does deliver in April

 

[dawgvet98]

Mine sat on a train for a month, then it took another 2 weeks to get it 120miles to the dealer.

 

[oldman]

OP,
Did you get all the answers to your "Long wait times for orders? why?"
So go ahead and order the JEEP you've always wanted and join the club in the waiting room!

 

[Mikes4xe]

The Russians are holding up all of the Jeeps.

 

[UniqueUserName]

I figured that's the root of everything, but I was hoping someone knows of any specifics of any packages/parts that would slow the progress of an order.

I don't know what but apparently I ordered all the stuff that prevents them from actually building your Wrangler but I didn't order floormats.

Zero actual progress since October.

 

[Chazdog]

All I know for sure is that dealerships are hurting for new inventory. It’s no wonder they’re jacking prices with ADMs and pricey add-ons.
Check out this photo I took of our local Toyota Dealership’s lots. This is a successful dealership with a typical inventory of 200+ units on the lot.

. If the lights weren’t on you’d think that they had gone under. Very strange times, these are.

 

[utahcamera]

Chip shortages. Supply chain issues. Global pandemic.
Some things just aren't available right now and holding up builds. They won't start one until all the parts to complete the build are available

Does anyone know from where these infamous, non-existent chips are sourced? China, Taiwan, Nebraska.?

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