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I have a 2 door 2019 JL Rubicon and plan to tow a trailer weighing about 1,000 pounds from the Phoenix AZ area to Blaine, WA. I'm sure that this will cause my LED headlights to blind most oncoming drivers at night. Is there something I can put on the rear axle to level out the JL when towing?
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I have a 2 door 2019 JL Rubicon and plan to tow a trailer weighing about 1,000 pounds from the Phoenix AZ area to Blaine, WA. I'm sure that this will cause my LED headlights to blind most oncoming drivers at night. Is there something I can put on the rear axle to level out the JL when towing?

I have this problem when I have two people in the back seat.
 

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I have a 2 door 2019 JL Rubicon and plan to tow a trailer weighing about 1,000 pounds from the Phoenix AZ area to Blaine, WA. I'm sure that this will cause my LED headlights to blind most oncoming drivers at night. Is there something I can put on the rear axle to level out the JL when towing?
I would think that a weight distribution kit would mostly eliminate the rake and make for a safer trip.
 

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You could try the Air Lift 1000. It's an air bag that you stuff inside your rear springs. Not expensive. Pressurize them and they'll counteract any sag you may get.

However they are not the toughest things and I would only recommend pressurizing them on-road. A moderate off-road trail can be too much for them at high pressure.
 

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You could try the Air Lift 1000. It's an air bag that you stuff inside your rear springs. Not expensive. Pressurize them and they'll counteract any sag you may get.

However they are not the toughest things and I would only recommend pressurizing them on-road. A moderate off-road trail can be too much for them at high pressure.
This is what I use to tow 3k and love them! They recommend at least 5lbs to keep them from flopping around at any time, but I DD with about 10lbs in them and it makes the bumps on the highway less jolting, and they max out at 35lbs. I use about 30lbs for towing 3k.
 

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I’m going to install the Airlift 1000 air bags in my rear coils. Routing separate air lines to…
The rear bumper
Under the hood
Next to the passenger seat
Etc
…will allow you to make slight height adjustments to each side.
I had air bags on two pickups and three semi tractors. They’re wonderful.
 
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This is what I use to tow 3k and love them! They recommend at least 5lbs to keep them from flopping around at any time, but I DD with about 10lbs in them and it makes the bumps on the highway less jolting, and they max out at 35lbs. I use about 30lbs for towing 3k.
Do they make the ride much more rough?
 

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Do they make the ride much more rough?
No. If you ride with the 5lb min, you wont notice them. I use 10lbs to firm it just enough to stop the Jeep from throwing itself around when hitting nasty bumps on the highways.

I’m going to install the Airlift 1000 air bags in my rear coils. Routing separate air lines to…
The rear bumper
Under the hood
Next to the passenger seat
Etc
…will allow you to make slight height adjustments to each side.
I had air bags on two pickups and three semi tractors. They’re wonderful.
Seems like a lot of work and extra potential points of leak/failure. It is recommended to do separate lines if you have uneven loading (like a roof top tent) but single line for more even loading (like towing a trailer).

I definitely wanted 1 line because should they ever fail/break/leak, I want my rear end to drop evenly, not just 1 side drop drastically, at highway speed, resulting in potentially dangerous scenario.
 

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I run the airlift airbags on my JLUR and they are great for eliminating the sag from towing.
 

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I have a 2 door 2019 JL Rubicon and plan to tow a trailer weighing about 1,000 pounds from the Phoenix AZ area to Blaine, WA. I'm sure that this will cause my LED headlights to blind most oncoming drivers at night. Is there something I can put on the rear axle to level out the JL when towing?
Not so much the weight of the trailer 1000 lbs, but rather the Tongue wt. Here is how I mitigate it:

1). With your trailer loaded if possible get a couple of stick on bubble levels. I use 4. One one each side atop the fender centered above the axle and if you a common V nose, one on each legs of the V.

2). Level up the trailer on a flat hard surface so that you can also back your Jeep up to it.

3). Back up Jeep to the Hitch at the front of the V. Hitch needs to have an attachment ball installed.

4). Where is your Ball in relationship to the height of the hitch at the V?

5). Ball to high? or to low. Measure the distance below or above based upon the center of the hitch.

6). Head to Wal Mart or Tractor supply or even Home Depot. They all got balls. Lets say the ball on the Jeep sits 2 in LOWER than the hitch vertical center. Go BUY a Hitch with a 2 Inch DROP...YES drop, because when you go to put you hitch on you will flip the hitch upside down and now its a 2 inch higher.


As for air bags, well the FIRST thing almost 100% of the folks that buy RV towables do is buy air bags. They hook up and note their truck now has a squat, buy air bag, fill them and bingo squat gone...makes sense? YA THINK? Not if you understand what air bags do.

They LIFT your vehicle by exerting up/down pressure on your axle and frame. 4 inch squat gone and all if good...NO its not, you just shifted tongue weight forward to the FRONT axle. This affects, Steering, braking, handling and leaning resulting in plowing.

I installed a set not to long ago, friend bought a 43 ft horse trailer. Up front was a custom 300 gallon water tank. That is because this a trailer set up for show horses. The tank was the passenger side and provided water to the shower on board and the shower for washing the horses. NOW we installed a set of airbags 7500 series and he leveled out his truck laterally. Now the weight is shifted to the light side and the truck handles properly.

They work great when employed to do what they were meant for, lateral leveling and I have employed them several times when I had 5th wheels.

Strongly suggest you go get your righ with trailer unloaded CAT scaled and comeback and Get CAT scaled loaded. About $12.50


Here a CAT Scale Ticket, my F 450 Truck, Camper and my trailer empty

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Not so much the weight of the trailer 1000 lbs, but rather the Tongue wt. Here is how I mitigate it:

1). With your trailer loaded if possible get a couple of stick on bubble levels. I use 4. One one each side atop the fender centered above the axle and if you a common V nose, one on each legs of the V.

2). Level up the trailer on a flat hard surface so that you can also back your Jeep up to it.

3). Back up Jeep to the Hitch at the front of the V. Hitch needs to have an attachment ball installed.

4). Where is your Ball in relationship to the height of the hitch at the V?

5). Ball to high? or to low. Measure the distance below or above based upon the center of the hitch.

6). Head to Wal Mart or Tractor supply or even Home Depot. They all got balls. Lets say the ball on the Jeep sits 2 in LOWER than the hitch vertical center. Go BUY a Hitch with a 2 Inch DROP...YES drop, because when you go to put you hitch on you will flip the hitch upside down and now its a 2 inch higher.


As for air bags, well the FIRST thing almost 100% of the folks that buy RV towables do is buy air bags. They hook up and note their truck now has a squat, buy air bag, fill them and bingo squat gone...makes sense? YA THINK? Not if you understand what air bags do.

They LIFT your vehicle by exerting up/down pressure on your axle and frame. 4 inch squat gone and all if good...NO its not, you just shifted tongue weight forward to the FRONT axle. This affects, Steering, braking, handling and leaning resulting in plowing.

I installed a set not to long ago, friend bought a 43 ft horse trailer. Up front was a custom 300 gallon water tank. That is because this a trailer set up for show horses. The tank was the passenger side and provided water to the shower on board and the shower for washing the horses. NOW we installed a set of airbags 7500 series and he leveled out his truck laterally. Now the weight is shifted to the light side and the truck handles properly.

They work great when employed to do what they were meant for, lateral leveling and I have employed them several times when I had 5th wheels.

Strongly suggest you go get your righ with trailer unloaded CAT scaled and comeback and Get CAT scaled loaded. About $12.50


Here a CAT Scale Ticket, my F 450 Truck, Camper and my trailer empty

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https://www.walmart.com/ip/Camco-Ca...3Krx0gzEaMjVS9OpYUBoCAawQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds
Nobody said not to level/load the trailer properly, agreed that tongue weight is very important. But the 2dr and soft springs sag way too much with even light loading, and take weight OFF your front axle. My first time towing without the bags, any hard braking felt unsafe from the weight of the trailer pushing the Jeep around the fighting the steering.

Level the trailer with appropriate tongue weight, hook it up to the Jeep, then inflate the bags to re-level both the Jeep and the trailer, and all will be safe and much easier to tow.
 

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Nobody said not to level/load the trailer properly, agreed that tongue weight is very important. But the 2dr and soft springs sag way too much with even light loading, and take weight OFF your front axle. My first time towing without the bags, any hard braking felt unsafe from the weight of the trailer pushing the Jeep around the fighting the steering.

Level the trailer with appropriate tongue weight, hook it up to the Jeep, then inflate the bags to re-level both the Jeep and the trailer, and all will be safe and much easier to tow.
I think you are missing my point.

I only said how I MITIGATE the challenge of pulling a trailer level. I see folks out there on road trailers NOSE in the air and nose down so far it sparks on every bump.

I personally rather use a mechanical connection, such as higher spring weights and adjustable shocks makes a great combo.

I have been towing horse trailers, hay trailers, 5th wheels and more since my days growing up on our horse ranch. I did not use airbags then and don't today unless I have a lateral lean issue.

Here I am rolling at 24-25 thousand lbs gross. I have 6000 lbs in the bed of my truck and 8000 lbs behind me with the trailer and its load. There are no Airbags on this truck. This truck the front axle is rated at +1, that is over OEM, the option package is Snowplow prep which gives me a 6000 lb rated front axle from the factory. The rear axle is rated at 16000 lbs with the optional Camper package and max tow capacity. My max goose neck towing capacity is 45,300 lbs.

I have run when it fit the need but they are last resort, solved with a mechanical solution if you can.






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