JLR-X almost ate a bumper

[richk225]

I had just done all 4 rotors and pads on my wifes Grand Cherokee, I went with PowerStop and made sure that I did get the coated rotors because of the same conditions you spoke about happen here in NJ

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[zyt]

Thank you for your input @AFD. I am going to replace both front and rear pads.
I find it quite confusing to get the correct part number for their New Extra Duty red pads. It seems the Red is an upgraded version of the Orange pads, and some retailers are unloading Orange pads first before stocking Red.

EBC's website, JEGS and Summitracing list different part number and fitment on rear pads. I do have concerns that they might ship incorrect rear pads.
Let me know if you have better luck in searching.

 

[Old Jeeper]

Thank you for your input @AFD. I am going to replace both front and rear pads.
I find it quite confusing to get the correct part number for their New Extra Duty red pads. It seems the Red is an upgraded version of the Orange pads, and some retailers are unloading Orange pads first before stocking Red.

EBC's website, JEGS and Summitracing list different part number and fitment on rear pads. I do have concerns that they might ship incorrect rear pads.
Let me know if you have better luck in searching.

70-80% of your stopping power is on the front pads, so for this reason I only change the fronts, unless I have a jillion miles on my car.

I have NEVER yes NEVER had to change brake pads on any car I owned in my 58 years of driving. As for the EBC I only put them on Corvettes, Jeeps, and Superduty trucks not long after I bought the new vehicle.

I have vehicles with up to 160k miles on them and no pad change. WHY?

If you take your foot off the brake and gas pedal you note you slow down in a HURRY. My O My what an NFC (novel F#%KING concept.. came from my early racing days. You only brake when NEEDED!

Lots of people access with the right foot and brake with the left, this will eat brakes in 20k mi or less.

In racing as you GO INTO the corner you hit brakes, not before, you want to scrub off speed as into the corner and nail to the wall as you come out. You don't see brake lights on Indy car that are racing at 180+. Brakes are for STOPPING, don't hit them till you need to stop, learn to coast...

 

[AFD]

I had just done all 4 rotors and pads on my wifes Grand Cherokee, I went with PowerStop and made sure that I did get the coated rotors because of the same conditions you spoke about happen here in NJ

Honestly not sure how much a coated rotor will help. On my last vehicle, I bought a set of zinc-coated Brembo rotors and once the face started wearing down it started rusting/corroding as well. I'm guessing it still helps, or at least slows down the process, but after 50k miles on those, they looked just as bad, if not in worse condition than the stock Brembo rotors that came on the vehicle after the same amount of time (not sure if those were zinc-coated, but I don't think they were).

I'm not suggesting against them or anything, but just to keep your expectations in check for something that gets constant mechanical wear.

Would be neat if someone made a slightly different alloy rotor with more anti-corrosive materials somehow deeply embedded throughout, but I'm sure that such a thing would be very pricey and probably have other shortcomings.

 

[richk225]

If you are talking about the "face" meaning where the pads make contact with the rotors I don`t believe there is any rotor that will not rust in that area after sitting for a extended time unless they are a set of composite rotors?? I have run Duralast coated rotors on other vehicles and Powerstop Zinc and Geomet coated rotors and have had great luck with there not being any rust showing on them at all. I just make sure to coat the contact area of the wheel with neverseize for extra protection

 

[The Last Cowboy]

70-80% of your stopping power is on the front pads, so for this reason I only change the fronts, unless I have a jillion miles on my car.

I have NEVER yes NEVER had to change brake pads on any car I owned in my 58 years of driving. As for the EBC I only put them on Corvettes, Jeeps, and Superduty trucks not long after I bought the new vehicle.

I have vehicles with up to 160k miles on them and no pad change. WHY?

If you take your foot off the brake and gas pedal you note you slow down in a HURRY. My O My what an NFC (novel F#%KING concept.. came from my early racing days. You only brake when NEEDED!

Lots of people access with the right foot and brake with the left, this will eat brakes in 20k mi or less.

In racing as you GO INTO the corner you hit brakes, not before, you want to scrub off speed as into the corner and nail to the wall as you come out. You don't see brake lights on Indy car that are racing at 180+. Brakes are for STOPPING, don't hit them till you need to stop, learn to coast...

You also brake prior to entering the corner to load the front suspension, helping to manage the weight transfer on the driver’s terms and not the car’s.

Also, I can always tell when I’m behind a 2 foot driver in an automatic. It’s very frustrating to be stuck behind one. Usually they are the same as those who pull their seat as close to the steering wheel as possible so they can see the end of the hood, as those drivers never look far down the road.

I’m a proponent of changing front and rear pads if going to different pads. It seems to me that you would want the same coefficient of friction on the front and rear, even though the fronts do the majority of the work.

Thanks for the brake info. I’m not liking how mine is stopping at just 22k miles. Might as well throw a set on as my tires need rotated soon.

 

[Old Jeeper]

You also brake prior to entering the corner to load the front suspension, helping to manage the weight transfer on the driver’s terms and not the car’s.

Also, I can always tell when I’m behind a 2 foot driver in an automatic. It’s very frustrating to be stuck behind one. Usually they are the same as those who pull their seat as close to the steering wheel as possible so they can see the end of the hood, as those drivers never look far down the road.

I’m a proponent of changing front and rear pads if going to different pads. It seems to me that you would want the same coefficient of friction on the front and rear, even though the fronts do the majority of the work.

Thanks for the brake info. I’m not liking how mine os stopping at just 22k miles. Might as well through a set on as my tires need rotated soon.

Here is something interesting:

My 2023 JLR cost almost exactly as much as my 2024 JLR-X

But my 2023 had something on it my 2024 does not have!!!

Heavy Duty Brakes, were not an option but were included. WOW, talk about stopping power, never had a Jeep that stopped like this and I have had 6 Rubicons. I was amazed at how it stopped...my 2024 does not even hold a candle to it?????? Look in the left column about ¾ down and will the the brakes

No I never upgrade the rears only because 60-75% of all braking is on the front. My driving style lends itself to front braking. The longer you are on the brake pedal the more brake bars come into play. I brake hard and late but I coasts into the brakes. I anticipate the brake by driving forward with my vision I can back on the go pedal and then hit the brakes at a slower speed and put more brake energy into stopping here and now.. Most people like my wife she hits the brakes a block away if the light turns red. What often happens she needs to accelerate to get there to stop.

Like I said friend of mine who is a hard-core Jeeper and has patents on Jeep stuff he has invented. He is an automotive engineer and owns a testing outfit and does mostly work for the majors in the US. He was the one who turned me on to EBC...way back. I called him up and told him I had gone to 37s and bead locks and my Tj was not stopping dimes at all. Tween my Walker Evans Beadlocks and those BFG KMs I was spinning about 136 lbs at each corner and he told go EBC, it was either Yellow or Green pad, forgot which, but go all 4 corners on the install. The results were really amazing, I was shocked.


If I get down to SA I will you a holler and see if we cannot have a cup of coffee sometime. I just back from Texas about 3 weeks ago and doing a turn around I am leaving for Houston next Friday, be gone a month this time. Was gone 2 mo last time, in the Austin area and then up in Alabama and New Orleans on business. On the way to Tomball, Pasadena, and Galveston on this trip.

I don't have any business in SA but I am from there, Southside and proud!



2023 JLR

 

[richk225]

Don what is the story with heavy duty brakes other than heavy duty, which Jeep gets what standard and how do you order heavy duty brakes on the Jeep site other than the brake upgrade out of the parts book
Do the 392`s and 392 XR`S have larger brakes than the non 392`s and XR`s ?

 

[Old Jeeper]

Don what is the story with heavy duty brakes other than heavy duty, which Jeep gets what standard and how do you order heavy duty brakes on the Jeep site other than the brake upgrade out of the parts book
Do the 392`s and 392 XR`S have larger brakes than the non 392`s and XR`s ?

NOT sure where HD brakes came from as it not an option and just included as standard equipment.

I am to tell you, the brakes on my 23 Vs my 24 are far superior to the 24, and its poor braking Vs the 23. This is WHY I am replacing the pads on my brand new 24 with EBC Yellow, Green, or Red, I need to sort out which ones are the best for my application. My Yellows are on my F 450 truck, just put on last week, better braking...that is a truck that weighs over 9000 lbs and when I travel I roll at 23-25k lbs CAT Scale Gross weight. The brake system on my F 450 is actually from an F 550 Commercial, The Rotors look like Trash can lids.

The 392 as I understand has bigger or better brakes and I think it comes along with the XR package. That said Jeeps has changed way comes with various X packages more than once. Originally the JLR-X was going to come with the 35 package, but it did not. I did order the 4:88 gears on both my 23 & 24. Great move if you move to 35 which I did.

Don't play poker with Jeep, they shuffle that deck too often for me.

 

[JLeco2022]

wish ebc was made in the usa

 

[The Last Cowboy]

wish ebc was made in the usa

Made in the UK, right? Far better than China or some other 3rd world counties.

 

[AKLespaul]

I guess I need some help. I ordered the green EBC pads and they were very small compared to the factory pads I removed. About 3/4 size.

I have a 2020 Sport, Dana 35 in front with a caliper that has dual piston. It is almost twice the size of the rear. I have not ordered special brakes or did any upgrade. What did I get in 2019 when this was delivered?

The EBC site lists the sizes, but does not include something larger than 160mm if I remember correctly.

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