Jeep Values - Massive Decline

[BXFXJeep]

I bought base on purpose, and since it now comes with the 12.3” console display, there is nothing more I want in a Jeep. It is a manual. It doesn’t have heated seats, but the heater is so strong, I can’t see how you would need them. The manual locks are slightly annoying, but the 2025 base has automatic locks and windows.

The base model will also hold its value much better over time.

Options should be looked at as pure luxury for personal enjoyment, and have no real value, if you don't get any value from an option, then it is a waste of money, and worse can be an expensive annoyance to fix.

Every option in my Wrangler I enjoy, like and use almost daily, the only thing I dislike is the big screen TV that came standard on my Sahara trim.

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[TheRaven]

It wasn’t just Stellantis. Almost all manufacturers went crazy during free-money covid-flation, and too many sheeple went along for the ride.

Absolutely agree...Stellantis is just one of the worst examples. They raised MSRPs faster and higher than most, and in the case of the JL, they started with a vehicle with better residuals than most. So the effect is far more pronounced here.

 

[Whaler27]

Absolutely agree...Stellantis is just one of the worst examples. They raised MSRPs faster and higher than most, and in the case of the JL, they started with a vehicle with better residuals than most. So the effect is far more pronounced here.

I dunno. The low-end diesel pusher we bought new in 2019 had an imaginary MSRP retail price of $274,000. We paid $206,000. The same model now has an imaginary retail sticker of $409,000. It seems like the inflation percentages are pretty close.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I dunno. The low-end diesel pusher we bought new in 2019 had an imaginary MSRP retail price of $274,000. We paid $206,000. The same model now has an imaginary retail sticker of $409,000. It seems like the inflation percentages are pretty close.

He doesn't like facts and figures or comparison to other manufactures unless it's good comparison using inflated Jeep pricing and deflated prices on the other end. Every SUV should cost the same regardless of capability. Base models don't exist unless they meet an imagined line of features. Anything with 4 tires is a direct comparison.

 

[Twisted10]

Agreed, but if you were selling to the general public and had to warranty...or even answer the phone with every dumb question would you do it any different? "I pushed the sway bar button and now my Jeep handles really bad and feels like it's going to tip over on the off ramp". "When I turn on the locker is really hard to turn into my driveway". We've seen enough posts on here about how hard it is to make tight turns on dry pavement in 4wd that I can only imagine how bad it would be if their are no nanny's.

What oil do I use?
How is my setup?
Will my tires be ok in the winter?
How do I rotate my tires?

These are a few of my favorites

 

[Zandcwhite]

What oil do I use?
How is my setup?
Will my tires be ok in the winter?
How do I rotate my tires?

These are a few of my favorites

I think that's why they started including free oil changes with purchase, cut down on dumb questions.

 

[Twisted10]

I think that's why they started including free oil changes with purchase, cut down on dumb questions.

Imagine what its going to be like in 10-20yrs....

 

[Zandcwhite]

Imagine what its going to be like in 10-20yrs....

The cars will drive themselves to be serviced.

 

[Opus]

The cars will drive themselves to be serviced.

But first they will shut down remotely until you pay your service subscription fee...

 

[TheRaven]

I dunno. The low-end diesel pusher we bought new in 2019 had an imaginary MSRP retail price of $274,000. We paid $206,000. The same model now has an imaginary retail sticker of $409,000. It seems like the inflation percentages are pretty close.

In 2019 I was looking at the new Silverado LT Trail Boss - it was $54960 then. My identical build in 2021 (the truck I own) stickered at $56600. Today the same truck is $62k....so that's an increase of $5400 since the 2021 MY. THAT'S about standard for most automakers in the industry. My 2021 JLU stickered at $43275. Building the same options list today comes to $54500. Thats an increase of over $11k.

 

[Whaler27]

Agreed, but if you were selling to the general public and had to warranty...or even answer the phone with every dumb question would you do it any different? "I pushed the sway bar button and now my Jeep handles really bad and feels like it's going to tip over on the off ramp". "When I turn on the locker is really hard to turn into my driveway". We've seen enough posts on here about how hard it is to make tight turns on dry pavement in 4wd that I can only imagine how bad it would be if their are no nanny's.

This is one of the many indicators that jeep buyers, and maybe the general public, are getting dumber and less thoughtful about their decisions.

I knew about the driving characteristics/behaviors of four-wheel drive long before I was old enough to get a driver’s license, because our family used four-wheel drive vehicles to get places. It was also an expensive option and it burned more gas, so people didn’t buy it if they had no need for it. For most of us, purchasing a four-wheel drive vehicle involved a thoughtful balancing process. In the 70s we almost never saw suburban housewives driving Jeeps or 4-door pickup trucks. In my part of the country “six pack” trucks, were purchased almost exclusively by large farm families and logging companies. Now they’re all yuppie mobiles, and many of the buyers know nothing about how they work. I suspect a majority of the 4-wheel drive vehicles have never even been in 4-wheel drive.

I see the same phenomenon with dive watches. In 1975 they were worn almost exclusively by divers, fishermen, and sailors. They were purchased for use/durability in saltwater environments. Seeing a dive watches at a BBQ used to be a fun way to meet new people with shared interests. Not anymore. The vast majority of people lugging around heavy dive watches don’t even dive. Many don’t even recognize what they are wearing IS a dive watch. For us older guys this behavior is completely befuddling. It‘s like buying an expensive stethoscope and wearing it around your neck without having any idea how to use it.

 

[Whaler27]

In 2019 I was looking at the new Silverado LT Trail Boss - it was $54960 then. My identical build in 2021 (the truck I own) stickered at $56600. Today the same truck is $62k....so that's an increase of $5400 since the 2021 MY. THAT'S about standard for most automakers in the industry. My 2021 JLU stickered at $43275. Building the same options list today comes to $54500. Thats an increase of over $11k.

My dad lost his mind when I paid over $20,000 for a new Ford F-350 in 1995. The sticker on the F-350 I bought a few months ago was over $100,000.

As others have mentioned, the impact of inflation on motorized things has been amplified by the cost of increasing nanny features, engine complexity to improve economy and reduce emissions, and the need to offset money lost to building expensive electric vehicles fewer people want to buy.

My first new pickup, which was an automatic, with 4x4 and AC (both expensive options then) was about $7500 in 1980, and that was during the record Carter inflation. What we’re seeing isn’t new. It’s the predictable result of the decisions our country has made.

 

[Twisted10]

But first they will shut down remotely until you pay your service subscription fee...

OTA might be able to do that now...

 

[TheRaven]

My dad lost his mind when I paid over $20,000 for a new Ford F-350 in 1995. The sticker on the F-350 I bought a few months ago was over $100,000.

As others have mentioned, the impact of inflation on motorized things has been amplified by the cost of increasing nanny features, engine complexity to improve economy and reduce emissions, and the need to offset money lost to building expensive electric vehicles fewer people want to buy.

My first new pickup, which was an automatic, with 4x4 and AC (both expensive options then) was about $7500 in 1980, and that was during the record Carter inflation. What we’re seeing isn’t new. It’s the predictable result of the decisions our country has made.

Agreed on all points (I remember my dad paying $14k for a brand new fully loaded Silverado in 1991). But that doesn't change the fact that Stellantis has increased MSRPs on Jeeps much faster and higher than the majority of competitors...and this is on a product that was already overpriced. That's the majority of their problem - and they have publicly admitted this much.

 

[Terrymo]

What oil do I use?
How is my setup?
Will my tires be ok in the winter?
How do I rotate my tires?

These are a few of my favorites

And there’s at least one thread a month with a poll for all those questions…because you know, look at me, I’m important. I’m the one asking the question this time and I can’t be bothered to read. Then again I’m just a bitter old man.

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