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It's also funny you care what others think
Everyone does. If you think you don’t you are just in denial.

If you truly didn’t care, you’d be driving a rusted up 1989 Corolla.
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Everyone does. Even if you think you don’t.

If you truly didn’t, you’d be driving a rusted up 1979 Corolla.
Gotta disagree with you, Aldo. There are a 100 good reasons not to drive a rusty 1979 Corolla that have nothing to do with caring what others think, including comfort, capability, reliability, and safety.

When I bought my first new Jeep CJ it had all the status of a shiny new shovel from the hardware store. Some farmers thought it was neat, but my dad thought it was a poor excuse for a pickup truck, and most kids/girls were attracted to stuff like corvettes and the coveted 1969 Z28. Even today, some people buy jeeps just because they fit their lifestyle.
 

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Everyone does. If you think you don’t you are just in denial.

If you truly didn’t care, you’d be driving a rusted up 1989 Corolla.
hahahaha If you really care what others think about the car you drive, your life must suck.

snob and jeep are two words that just don't go together. If you think they do, then you're just a tool to begin with.

Here's a hint.

Jeep's are not special, exotic or rare. And you aren't better than anyone else.
 
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Gotta disagree with you, Aldo. There are a 100 good reasons not to drive a rusty 1979 Corolla that have nothing to do with caring what others think.
My point is: if you didn’t really care about what others thought, you wouldn’t care about what color you got, what wheels you got, what options you ordered, and even less paying through the nose to own an overpriced Jeep.

Buying an automobile is the most outward manifestation of ourselves towards those around us, only after buying a home.

To keep repeating “I don’t care what others think”, on a Jeep forum of all places, perhaps makes some feel better, but also shows lack of self awareness.
 
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hahahaha

snob and jeep are two words that just don't go together. If you think they do, then you're just a tool to begin with.

Here's a hint.

Jeep's are not special, exotic or rare. And you aren't better than anyone else.
Sure. Whatever makes you happy...

And no need to start calling fellow forum members names.

I see you are new on here. You might want to review the forum rules.
 

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My point is: if you didn’t really care about what others thought, you wouldn’t care about what color you got, what wheels you got, what options you ordered, and even less paying through the nose to own an overpriced Jeep.

Buying an automobile is the most outward manifestation of ourselves towards those around us, only after buying a home.

To keep repeating “I don’t care what others think”, on a Jeep forum of all places, perhaps makes some feel better, but also shows lack of self awareness.
Dude. really?

All those options are for ME ME ME ME ME. hahaha

For my needs. for my shit. For my pleasure.

It's good you are aware of your really weird concern on what other think though.

My suggestion is therapy. Fast.
 

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Hi all,

And I do mean all.

It's been a blast these last three years driving my 2019 Bright White 2 Door JL Sport S, 3.6L, Auto, 2.5" lift on 35s with Sway Bar Quick Disconnects. My wife named him Snoopy.

Yes I've raised Snoopy beyond the stock pup he started out as, but he meanders (a lot) in the Colorado wilderness that's affectionately now call his 'backyard'. We're able to really get up close and personal with so much more of our home state than I could have ever hoped for. For me "Rocky Mountain High" was likely written by John Denver while driving up to altitude in his Jeep.

And yes I have a little Rubicon envy, but to tell you the truth, I may never own another vehicle. This JL is just so incredibly capable, that over time as I've even learned how to utilize the Brake Lock Differential (BLD's) to their full extent through careful throttle control, the difficult to extreme stuff is certainly now within my vocabulary. Granted, I do know where my limits are and the really extreme crap I'll just let that continue to feed my dream of lusting for lockers (perhaps someday). Noting that pining for something even more capable is always somewhat healthy, of course while cursing the damn price tag of the Rubi.

But with the Sport, I can always add another mod. My next will be adding a bumper (likely stubby) with a nice Warn winch. Yep, I still don't have a winch. That's a testament to just how capable these JLs really are. For me, the real beauty and true value of my JL is the possibility for all the places I can now go with this thing. I've also since found out, Snoopy really enjoys discovering all the old mining equipment strewn around throughout this entire state. Places you can only get to on foot, horseback or lifted Jeep.

But above all, this Sport is, has been and will probably continue to be my favorite daily driver I've ever owned. By far, bar none. I love driving this thing. Even to the mall. Still overall, likely 20 to 25% of my 50K+ miles (so far) have been well off the beaten path at pretty high altitude.

I also recently discovered that the Jeep wave actually began during WWII with the soldiers flashing the 'V' victory sign whenever they passed each other. So even though I routinely (but not religiously) wave at every kind of Jeep I encounter, the Marine in me is proud and honored to continue this tradition. Truthfully I even find myself waving to passing Jeeps when I'm occasionally driving my wife's GMC.

So if you happen to get waved my someone in the rare occasion I'm not driving my Sport, it's likely just me enjoying your Jeep independent of type. If you're a snob, so be it. You will always earn a salute, er, I mean a wave, from me.

These JLs are just so incredibly cool no matter which flavor tickles your fancy. And if you do happen to spot me, good chance you are somewhere at altitude. Generally along the Front Range or higher.

Hope you're having as much fun as I am.
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I’m with you. Jeeps are a joy. I love all things motorized, but Jeeps are my number one motorized joy these days.

In almost 45 years of jeep ownership I’ve never named a jeep, until this one. Like you, with encouragement from my wife and grandkids, this one got a name. Can you guess it?

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Horse snobbery is huge. Go to a horse show. They are worse than a Rubicon owner. And by the way your Rubicon 392 is cheap compared to some horses. At bigger shows, it is not uncommon for horses go be way north of $50k. A $5K saddle no big deal, Stupid looking show shirt $400 shirt is common peasant wear. $100K+ truck, $100K+ horse trailer. Hell they will have more in horse tack than you have in Jeep mods.

I am so glad my wife got out of horses.
Very true. One good blood line brood mare and you can retire.
 
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Dude. really?

All those options are for ME ME ME ME ME. hahaha

For my needs. for my shit. For my pleasure.

It's good you are aware of your really weird concern on what other think though.

My suggestion is therapy. Fast.
Firstly, you really need to learn some forum etiquette. To join a forum and start attacking others on your few posts is not what this is about.

Secondly, you clearly have no clue how advertising works. Those who loudly deny being under the influence of marketing and advertising, usually turn out to be the most gullible.

Now it’s time to place you on “ignore.”
 

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My point is: if you didn’t really care about what others thought, you wouldn’t care about what color you got, what wheels you got, what options you ordered, and even less paying through the nose to own an overpriced Jeep.

Buying an automobile is the most outward manifestation of ourselves towards those around us, only after buying a home.

To keep repeating “I don’t care what others think”, on a Jeep forum of all places, perhaps makes some feel better, but also shows lack of self awareness.
Nope. Still disagree. I’ve spent much more money on my jeep in ways/areas nobody else can see/notice. We chat here, of course, but nobody finds status on an anonymous forum.

The things I do to my jeep bring me joy — even when it’s sitting in my shop. I suspect that’s true of most the folks here, many of whom have over $100,000 buried in their jeeps. If status was the objective, $100,000 could be much better spent by buying a Porsche or similar that‘s a few years old, 40% depreciated, but still looks like real money.
 
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Firstly, you really need to learn some forum etiquette. To join a forum and start attacking others on your few posts is not what this is about.

Secondly, you clearly have no clue how advertising works. Those who loudly deny being under the influence of marketing and advertising, usually turn out to be the most gullible.

Now it’s time to place you on “ignore.”
One more thought… Do you buy socks, sheets, and shoes for status-related reasons? I’m betting not, and I’m betting you‘re not buying the cheapest alternatives you can find at Walmart.

We buy good quality sheets, towels, and pillows because they add to our quality of life. Jeeps and lawn mowers differ only in price.
 
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Nope. Still disagree. I’ve spent much more money on my jeep in ways/areas nobody else can see/notice. We chat here, of course, but nobody finds status on an anonymous forum.

The things I do to my jeep bring me joy — even when it’s sitting in my shop. I suspect that’s true of most the folks here, many of whom have over $100,000 buried in their jeeps. If status was the primary concern, a $100,000 could be much better spent by buying a Porsche or similar that‘s a few years old, 40% depreciated, but still looks like real money.
Think of it is way: if you truly only cared about meeting needs, a used Toyota RAV4 would do the job. It’d take care of your “needs” a lot more cheaply, efficiently, and reliably.

But what'd be the fun in that, right...?
 
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One more thought… Do you buy socks, sheets, and shoes for status-related reasons? I’m betting not, and I’m betting you‘re not buying the cheapest alternatives you can find at Walmart.

We buy good quality sheets, towels, and pillows because they add to our quality of life. Jeeps and lawn mowers differ only in price.
Ugh. All I can say is: it is Christmas Eve and some seem to have little to do than be in an argumentative mode.

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE!!!
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Nope. Still disagree. I’ve spent much more money on my jeep in ways/areas nobody else can see/notice. We chat here, of course, but nobody finds status on an anonymous forum.

The things I do to my jeep bring me joy — even when it’s sitting in my shop. I suspect that’s true of most the folks here, many of whom have over $100,000 buried in their jeeps. If status was the objective, $100,000 could be much better spent by buying a Porsche or similar that‘s a few years old, 40% depreciated, but still looks like real money.
If I was looking for status I certainly wouldn't have bought so many jeeps in my life. In fact it is just the opposite because all I hear is how terrible they are.......which frankly they are comparatively. But I still love them, and buy them for myself not what anyone else thinks about it. Maybe this is a left coast thing because where Im from, people don't care what you drive, and those that do aren't in my sphere of influence anyway.
 

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I am super late to this thread, and I know it. I also admit to not having read through 40 odd pages of the thread.

But having seen it pop up on my active threads it caught my eye, because I truly believe there is a F-ed up "hierarchy" of Jeeps.

I built a sweet WJ 12 years ago, put it on 35's and crawled all over everything. It was my family daily driver and I loved it. I passed it on to my son when he was driver aged.

I have driven a KJ, a TJ, and currently in the fleet we have a KL, XJ, JL, JLR, and my WK2. My WK2 is a stout and capable as about anything. But you know what, the only "JEEP wave" i get is in my JLR. Why not a wave for the WK2 with rails, winch, skids and 32" BFG AT tires?

Wranglers in general don't understand that it was the high volume family cars that kept the wrangler around. The KJ and the WJ saved the TJ because of the volume of units sold and the profit created.

Anyway, talk about "hierarchy" and look at the brand itself. When was the last time you Wrangler owners acknowledged a Compass or a Renegade?



This is going to ruffle some feathers, but here it goes nonetheless.

I have owned 9 Wranglers over a 12-year period; a mix of Saharas and Rubicons, 2-doors and 4-doors, soft tops and hardtops, manuals and automatics. I have taken them to the beach, to the mountains, to the desert, to work, to the mall and to National Parks. I have driven them in snow, in the rain, over ice, rocks and sand dunes; in July 120 degrees in Death Valley and in -25 degrees in January in Colorado.

Eight of those Wranglers were JKs. My first one was a 2008 2-door Sahara I bought used: it was a base with a 6-speed manual and a soft top, but I was hooked. At one time I owned two of them side-by-side: one was a 2-door Rubicon for the trails; the other was a 4-door Sahara for long road trips in winter. What I have always loved about Wranglers is that I can pack and go at any time, any time of year, without concern for the terrain or the weather; I just know my Jeep will get me there and back.

My last JK was a top-of-the-line 2018 JKUR Recon. It was the most expensive Wrangler I ever bought but it was a disappointment: the assembly quality was terrible; it rattled and squeaked; the body panels were grossly misaligned; the ride was harsh. To make matters worse, my local dealer was a total dickhead with the warranty. Hardly what you expect from a $52,000 price tag —even after having owned several JKs before. In hindsight, it was a mistake buying that last Rubicon.

When I shopped for a JL I test drove a dozen of them; a mix of Rubicons and Saharas, 2-doors and 4-doors; manual and automatic. I had relocated from California to Washington so I found myself doing less extreme off-roading, but more extreme weather. The availability of Selec-Trac was more appealing than a swaybar disconnect or lockers; and after the harsh ride on that JK Recon, comfort grew in importance.

I found a sweet deal on an unsold 2018 Sahara sitting 1,000 miles away. I picked it up a year ago: the Selec-Trac is just awesome in the snow; the drive and ride is refined and comfortable; it can tackle the off-road trails around here with ease; the fit-and-finish is excellent, and it’s been totally trouble-free so far. I am tickled happy with it.

However, I find something’s fundamentally changed with the advent of JL. Perhaps the new prices make JLs too “precious.” Or JL is attracting a greater number of first-time buyers who don’t know the Wrangler “code” yet. Or FCA has gone overboard and turned Wrangler into a status symbol. Whatever the reason, I find it is now common to be looked down upon for not driving the “right” type of Wrangler. I now feel I have to justify why I drive a Sahara, something I never had to before. Some may not realize this, but Sahara owners regularly get accused of being poor drivers, bad off-roaders, mall crawlers, even poseurs, all because we drive a Sahara. Ironically, half the time we get lectured by Rubicon owners who never even take their Jeeps off-road. I try not to be oversensitive to it, but it is just weird.

Do Sport owners get this too?

One of the nice things of being part of the Jeep community was the feeling of close camaraderie, no matter what Wrangler you drove. I never felt I had to justify why I drove a Sahara, or whatever. A Wrangler was a Wrangler and that was that.

Feel free to reply, agree, disagree, joke, flame, share your hypothesis, but please let’s keep it civil.
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