Interview Wanted - JL Rust Problems

[MCMXLI]

Quite wrong on this one.

The internet was filled with useful information and how-to stuff long before people figured out how to monetize every little pixel they displayed.

Well agree to disagree. I think you're naively remembering an alternate reality version of the internet that never actually existed. Google has been making money off you since 2000 when paid advertising was introduced and determining what you see in search results based an algorithm that earns them the most money. Prior to the introduction of HTML in the early 90s it was a slow, clunky mess. I remember it well.

No argument commercialization and loss of privacy is worse now, but the direct benefits that have come from it have exponentially improved access, content quality and user experience. The only other option would be for users to pay the actual costs of the internet. Everything would have a cost - paying a fee to use Google all the way to a subscription for every website. Is that what you're proposing? That's just fantasy...

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[MeefZah]

Hey Tommy, ignore the haters that piped up. I enjoy TFL a lot, and in fact watching a lot of your older videos on the JKU and then JLU and specifically your personal JL is what in part motivated me to buy a new JLU and gave me the confidence that it probably wouldn't be a derelict piece of shit.

Mine is too new to have corrosion issues but I appreciate that you want to get some input from owners and this forum is a good place to ask for that input so glean the info you can and disregard the bullshit.

Thanks for your channel.

 

[ripler]

I'd love to tell you my Gladiator paint repair story, but I really don't want to relive that nightmare.

 

[BetterThanMine]

Well agree to disagree. I think you're naively remembering an alternate reality version of the internet that never actually existed. Google has been making money off you since 2000 when paid advertising was introduced and determining what you see in search results based an algorithm that earns them the most money. Prior to the introduction of HTML in the early 90s it was a slow, clunky mess. I remember it well.

No argument commercialization and loss of privacy is worse now, but the direct benefits that have come from it have exponentially improved access, content quality and user experience. The only other option would be for users to pay the actual costs of the internet. Everything would have a cost - paying a fee to use Google all the way to a subscription for every website. Is that what you're proposing? That's just fantasy...

Im not saying stuff wasnt monetized. Banner ads exsisted for sure, but it wasn't a monetization driven philosophy. I was able to find what ever I need via forums like this or independently run sites. How many things are not made today that wouldve been made then due to "it wont make money".

Paid advertising determining results? Not really, yeah you had sponsored listings same as now, but its all driven by SEO and keyword indexing, then more so today browsing history is a factor. But then, like now, youre relying on honest headlines and seo.

And yes, server cost and all that needs to be covered. But today, the saying "if its free, youre the product" rings a little too literal. My problem with todays internet is that everthing needs to be a production to increase engagment while presenting little substance that is usually questionable and opinion based being presented as fact.

Just my 2cents.

 

[Obi Wan]

Mods are hitting this thread hard.

 

[1quick1]

Mods are hitting this thread hard.

I was actually watching a TFL video:





....when all the insults and personal attack notifications started flying...

 

[yokramer]

I was actually watching a TFL video:





....when all the insults and personal attack notifications started flying...

Who spends $52k on a 30k Jeep? Crazy how dealers swindle customers that cant wait on an order lol

 

[1quick1]

Who spends $52k on a 30k Jeep? Crazy how dealers swindle customers that cant wait on an order lol

My 4 door Sport S in 2018 was $38k but in fairness, I believe I heard Tommy say in another video that he got it down to around $42k. Granted I don't have the 12" radio, adaptive cruise control and a few of the other newer options but mine at least has an LSD and from what I can gather that $52k 2 door has open diffs. Crazy how expensive these things have gotten.

 

[jeepingib]

I was actually watching a TFL video:





....when all the insults and personal attack notifications started flying...

My bad.

 

[yokramer]

My 4 door Sport S in 2018 was $38k but in fairness, I believe I heard Tommy say in another video that he got it down to around $42k. Granted I don't have the 12" radio, adaptive cruise control and a few of the other newer options but mine at least has an LSD and from what I can gather that $52k 2 door has open diffs. Crazy how expensive these things have gotten.

Its not that its gotten that expensive for the base models, the dealers just load them up with options where it would make more sense to just buy a Sahara over at Sport or Sport S because they know people are just gonna buy whats available.

 

[MacombRoger]

@TFL I have an orginal 2018. It has corrosion at every hinge. Front doors seem to be the worst of it. Every time Jeep extended the coverage, I was just outside of the coverage window. And I cannot not have a Jeep for months for Jeep to correct it.

I can get some pictures later if you want. I am curious what my long term fix will be. So far the paint has only bubbled, until it breaks open, I am ignoring it as best as I can.

I assume at some point I will have to have a paint shop fix it, hope by then a shim kit is available to existing owners at a low to no cost option. Keep my eyes open for alternatives, I can't imagine repainting every hinge "area" will be cheap. Maybe it just not fixed.

I am a long term car owner, expect a vehicle to go 200k+ miles. And at 6+ years, its way to soon to be thinking about a replacement vehicle.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Happy to leave. Came here to get an owners side of the story from very knowledgeable folks plugged into the JL world that might have some interesting insight they would like to share to a different community.

It is for profit, I’m not trying to hide that. Just like nearly every other news and media site.

Next time something impactful happens in your community and your go to for profit news organization tries to tell both sides of the story I hope someone involved is willing to be interviewed without so much friction and skepticism.

That's my thing man, you been a member here since 2017, but this is your first thread. You say you've been poking around for the last 7 years, but can't seem to put the effort into communicating with us (7 years, 1 thread, like 13 posts) until you need something. It'd be a little different if you've been a sponsor this whole time, even a stage one sponsor I could at least have a little respect for you.

I don't know about anyone else, I just feel used by this thread. It'd be one thing if you were regular around here, but you just been creeping around for 7 years and only pop up when you need something, kind of selfish.

Having been a long time viewer of y'all's channel(s), for like the last 10 years, I can tell you for sure this is a Tommy thing, which is also the reason why I've always been a fan of Alex myself. Feel free to pass that information along to Alex!

 

[TheNewGuy]

@TFL I have an orginal 2018. It has corrosion at every hinge. Front doors seem to be the worst of it. Every time Jeep extended the coverage, I was just outside of the coverage window. And I cannot not have a Jeep for months for Jeep to correct it.

I can get some pictures later if you want. I am curious what my long term fix will be. So far the paint has only bubbled, until it breaks open, I am ignoring it as best as I can.

I assume at some point I will have to have a paint shop fix it, hope by then a shim kit is available to existing owners at a low to no cost option. Keep my eyes open for alternatives, I can't imagine repainting every hinge "area" will be cheap. Maybe it just not fixed.

I am a long term car owner, expect a vehicle to go 200k+ miles. And at 6+ years, its way to soon to be thinking about a replacement vehicle.

New hinges have a sacrificial zinc shim but the jury is still out on how effective that will be. At best it will delay the spread to the doors. The hinges themselves will still corrode. The bigger issue is if you have corrosion along the edge of doors, hood etc. There is no fixing that because it's emanating from the hem flange. You can sand and repaint the door but it's gonna come back probably within a year

 

[OminousSkitter]

Well agree to disagree. I think you're naively remembering an alternate reality version of the internet that never actually existed. Google has been making money off you since 2000 when paid advertising was introduced and determining what you see in search results based an algorithm that earns them the most money. Prior to the introduction of HTML in the early 90s it was a slow, clunky mess. I remember it well.

No argument commercialization and loss of privacy is worse now, but the direct benefits that have come from it have exponentially improved access, content quality and user experience. The only other option would be for users to pay the actual costs of the internet. Everything would have a cost - paying a fee to use Google all the way to a subscription for every website. Is that what you're proposing? That's just fantasy...

Most people member that golden era where ads and ad tech existed but not every single page was choked to death with them. YouTube did not show an add every 3 minutes, creators didn't have minute-long pitches for that video's sponsor, google search was not the SEO-barely-usable cesspool we have today, et cetera. People remember this era fondly but just didn't realize how badly they were being tracked until Cambridge Analytica broke.

Ads/monetization/commercialization greatly helped popularize and expand the internet, but today the quality of information is drastically worse (or quality information is significantly harder to find) than even a decade ago. However, the entertainment value has gone through the roof since then. In order to find good information online, people resort to various tricks to try to outsmart the search engine's revenue stream, and those fail as soon as they become well known. Now, we have ai-generated crap to contend with, too.

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