FCA Merger effect on Jeep?

[Spank]

Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep/Ram has been purchased several times throughout the years. They don't seem to mess with Jeep as it is a cash cow. I wouldn't be concerned.

Fiat did, though, and for the better (for whatever that's worth). They took the disaster that was Jeep after the '07-'08 economic crash and managed to actually improve it, which was pretty impressive considering Fiat was just as much of a shitshow as Chrysler in terms of reliability and quality. They were the reason Jeep canned the old interior of the JK, publicly admitting it was horrendous and that the consumer deserved better. People think a "mid-cycle refresh" is a common thing for the Wrangler. It's not. The JK needed one because it was that bad.

Of course, not everything Fiat has done has been an improvement. FCA is still pretty much at the bottom of the barrel in those same categories and their dealerships have managed to get worse, especially in service and product training. But if you look at Chrysler's fleet up until the merger, there was absolutely no pride or confidence in a single vehicle they built. None.

I honestly think FCA putting worthless stickers and custom seat embroideries on the JK for appearance packages is what brought new life, attention, and focus to the Wrangler. They obviously have gone overboard and that hasn't changed with the JL, but if Chrysler had somehow managed to survive and continue on its own, I doubt they'd put half the energy into Jeep that FCA has.

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[_olllllllo_]

if you want to wish for someones electric tech, lets wish for that of Lucid Motors; that seems to be the next generation.

i hear they're currently testing out as among the quickest, fastest, and longest range electric vehicles and charge rapidly... we'll see when they hit the streets from a factory just south of you in a few months!

I does appear from reports that Lucid may have even more efficient motors than Tesla, but we will see once they start producing in numbers. As for batteries I am really hoping solid state comes along in a couple years. I would love to simply update the Jeep to electric if the cost isn't exorbitant.

 

[bullfrog3459]

I guess the question really is now ... does Peugeot have better build quality or at least a good QC to help the rollout of Jeeps? What is Peugeot like with their current vehicles?

 

[aldo98229]

I guess the question really is now ... does Peugeot have better build quality or at least a good QC to help the rollout of Jeeps? What is Peugeot like with their current vehicles?

Yes.

This is what a Peugeot looks like today.

Anyone has better build quality than FCA.

 

[bullfrog3459]

Yes.

This is what a Peugeot looks like today.

Anyone has better build quality than FCA.

Isn't citroen also owned by PSA? Better than FCA above BMW but still up there.

 

[aldo98229]

Isn't citroen also owned by PSA? Better than FCA above BMW but still up there.

Yes, they own Peugeot, Citroen, DS, Opel and Vauxhall.

Now they will own:

1. Alfa Romeo
2. Chrysler
3. Citroen
4. Dodge
5. DS
6. Fiat
7. Jeep
8. Lancia
9. Maserati
10. Opel
11. Ram
12. Vauxhall

No wonder they had to come up with a name like Stellantis...

PS - Mitsubishi may be up for grabs soon, too. Nissan announced plans to sell its controlling stake on that automaker.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

It takes years for improved quality control measures to begin to show, as Peugeot would have to improve the known issues in the current generation, some of wich might not be cost effective.

Paint quality is where they need to start. That would require improvements in preparation as well as the robotic equipment itself.

I have no doubt improvements can be made, look at the JK, designed under Chrysler, inherited by DaimlerBenz, improved (I know, right), by Fiat. I’m sure it can be done again.


As for Mitsubishi, it’s been twisting in the wind for years, ever since their partnership with Chrysler ended. I can’t see any benefit from aligning with then.

 

[aldo98229]

t takes years for improved quality control measures to begin to show, as Peugeot would have to improve the known issues in the current generation, some of wich might not be cost effective.

Paint quality is where they need to start. That would require improvements in preparation as well as the robotic equipment itself.

I have no doubt improvements can be made, look at the JK, designed under Chrysler, inherited by DaimlerBenz, improved (I know, right), by Fiat. I’m sure it can be done again.


As for Mitsubishi, it’s been twisting in the wind for years, ever since their partnership with Chrysler ended. I can’t see any benefit from aligning with then.

Yeah, I don’t think it will benefit them to pick up Mitsubishi, either.

It just seems Stellantis will have a big gaping hole in Asia. It will be heavily concentrated in Europe.

PS - after Nissan bought a controlling stake on Mitsubishi, it made them shed off 2/3 of its workers in North America and relocate to TN. Now it plans to drop them like a hot potato. Typical Nissan...

 

[ThirtyOne]

To specifically answer your question, the biggest impact will be on the smaller crossovers in the brand. Peugot has common platforms and they are going to build new or next gen vehicles on that platform. But they are only for smaller vehicles. So the Jeep that was going to be smaller than the Renegade has been paused until they can re-engineer it to be built on the PSA platform. I would expect the next-gen Renegade and perhaps Cherokee/Compass to also migrate to shared PSA platforms.

The larger Jeeps probably won't be directly impacted very much.

 

[Sean L]

To specifically answer your question, the biggest impact will be on the smaller crossovers in the brand. Peugot has common platforms and they are going to build new or next gen vehicles on that platform. But they are only for smaller vehicles. So the Jeep that was going to be smaller than the Renegade has been paused until they can re-engineer it to be built on the PSA platform. I would expect the next-gen Renegade and perhaps Cherokee/Compass to also migrate to shared PSA platforms.

The larger Jeeps probably won't be directly impacted very much.

This begs the question as to the future of the Grand Cherokee. As far as I know its still built on the platform developed under Mercedes.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

FCA suffered after Marchionnes loss, Renault/Nissan after Ghosn’s troubles. Leadership is a big factor in how these companies perform. Lets see how the new leadership runs things.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

This begs the question as to the future of the Grand Cherokee. As far as I know its still built on the platform developed under Mercedes.

Yep, as are the 300, Charger and Challenger. All of which are very long in the tooth. It was/is a good platform and can probably be used as basis for an improved one. Look how many times Ford reengineered the Panther platform. at the end in 2011 it had little in common with it’s beginnings in 1978.

That having been said, I would like to see the GC return to a more “Jeep like” platform. The new Grand Wagoneer will be flagship. An integrated strong uniframe, like the original. And if Jeep/Stellantis insists on 4 wheel independent suspension, make it more rugged and longer travel. Straight a les wouls be preferred.

 

[631_Islander]

Yeah, I don’t think it will benefit them to pick up Mitsubishi, either.

It just seems Stellantis will have a big gaping hole in Asia. It will be heavily concentrated in Europe.

PS - after Nissan bought a controlling stake on Mitsubishi, it made them shed off 2/3 of its workers in North America and relocate to TN. Now it plans to drop them like a hot potato. Typical Nissan...

Ayy somebody has to pay for Carlos Ghosn's legal fees and help him sneak out of Japan in an Audio Equipment Box. You know how much a train ride from Tokyo to Osaka plus a chartered jet ride to Lebanon from Osaka can cost!

 

[ThirtyOne]

This begs the question as to the future of the Grand Cherokee. As far as I know its still built on the platform developed under Mercedes.

Well it won't come from PSA. And PSA doesn't have a larger efficient engine to replace the 5.7 either as far as I know. The vehicles in Europe just aren't as big.

 

[Sean L]

Well it won't come from PSA. And PSA doesn't have a larger efficient engine to replace the 5.7 either as far as I know. The vehicles in Europe just aren't as big.

Yeah the bigger Vehicles are what Ram and Jeep excel at. There would be a rebellion if the Hemi was replaced by some 4.2 liter v8 from Europe...

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