Don't know what to do. 4xe thoughts??

[Brad Hearing]

You're still welcome to be held hostage by oil companies. Also, the end of subsidies doesn't appear to be crushing the EV market like you had hoped.

I never understood how people dont understand the difference between something that holds energy (a battery) and actual energy (your outlet is powered by fossil fuels), but hey thanks for that.

you just pointed out how people were fooled into thinking they are somehow saving the environment by buying an EV.

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[NWJeepr]

I never understood how people dont understand the difference between something that holds energy (a battery) and actual energy (your outlet is powered by fossil fuels), but hey thanks for that.

you just pointed out how people were fooled into thinking they are somehow saving the environment by buying an EV.

You don't understand it because, well, you don't understand it.

I don't think I'm saving the environment by owning an EV. But I do think it's pretty cool!

 

[Brad Hearing]

You don't understand it because, well, you don't understand it.

I don't think I'm saving the environment by owning an EV. But I do think it's pretty cool!

you said that somehow buying an EV saves you from oil companies ROFL

 

[NWJeepr]

you said that somehow buying an EV saves you from oil companies ROFL

Clearly not what I said, ROFL

 

[Brad Hearing]

Clearly not what I said, ROFL

"You're still welcome to be held hostage by oil companies."

you said this. being held hostage.

 

[NWJeepr]

"You're still welcome to be held hostage by oil companies."

you said this. being held hostage.

That is what I said.

 

[TrailMax]

I never understood how people dont understand the difference between something that holds energy (a battery) and actual energy (your outlet is powered by fossil fuels), but hey thanks for that.

you just pointed out how people were fooled into thinking they are somehow saving the environment by buying an EV.

Ah. This must be similar to the argument that would basically conclude that a Jeep with a 426 Hemi and roots-style blower would get the exact same mileage (and have the same emissions) as a V6 Jeep of the same weight because it takes the same energy to move the same weight at the same speed for the same distance) and, apparently, efficiency doesn't have any effect.

The outlet may or may not deliver energy that was produced by burning fossil fuels, but that is far different than saying an ICE vehicle is as efficient as the power source that delivers the electricity to the outlet.

I think the average per mile cost to ship one ton of cargo by rail is a couple of cents (or less). That doesn't mean it doesn't cost a penny to power train for 1 mile, but when you spread the energy produced over those several tons it's a lot more efficient than driving your butt to the local Dairy Queen.

 

[Brad Hearing]

That is what I said.

yeah... remember this every time you put a laugh on my posts. im the one *actually* correct.

 

[TrailMax]

Sometimes it takes my coffee some time to kick in, especially end of the week. The sarcastic comments sometimes blend in with the actual crazy stuff, there's enough of the crazy floating around these days.

I hear ya. I've said a number of times that one of the things that makes me angry about the current administration is that you see a news story and blow it off because it is so far out there that someone must have based the story on an Onion article --- and then you find out it's actually true.

 

[NWJeepr]

yeah... remember this every time you put a laugh on my posts.

Remember what?

I'm absolutely supportive of having many different energy choices to power vehicles, and not all or even the majority of electricity comes from fossil fuels in some regions. And when it does, it's still more efficient than burning gasoline in a car. That's just one upside to an EV, recognizing that there isn't one single goal with vehicle ownership, and all vehicle ownership has some environmental impact.

I'm happy to share anything about BEV ownership you're curious about, from my perspective. As for the original topic, a hybrid (4xe) isn't for me, but I'm also no longer convinced it's a bad start for someone who wants to experience a small taste of what BEV ownership could be like. The one downside...IMO, all hybrids, the additional complexity negatively outweighs the marginal benefit it provides. The one vehicle...a gently used 4xe Rubicon...the price is such that you're getting all the Rubicon hardware at a discount, extra power, marginal HEV benefit. The savings could outweigh the complexity or potential dealer headaches...maybe.

I'd be more inclined to avoid 4xe problems, though. If I bought a hybrid it would be from Volvo or Toyota and without any expectation to be an off-road vehicle. I don't think the 4xe is bad, but Jeep has clearly gone lean on its investment in dealer support for it, and that is a bad thing.

 

[yokramer]

Remember what?

I'm absolutely supportive of having many different energy choices to power vehicles, and not all or even the majority of electricity comes from fossil fuels in some regions. And when it does, it's still more efficient than burning gasoline in a car. That's just one upside to an EV, recognizing that there isn't one single goal with vehicle ownership, and all vehicle ownership has some environmental impact.

Woah hey there, you expect him to be able to extrapolate information from a statement?

 

[Brad Hearing]

Remember what?

I'm absolutely supportive of having many different energy choices to power vehicles, and not all or even the majority of electricity comes from fossil fuels in some regions. And when it does, it's still more efficient than burning gasoline in a car. That's just one upside to an EV, recognizing that there isn't one single goal with vehicle ownership, and all vehicle ownership has some environmental impact.

I'm happy to share anything about BEV ownership you're curious about, from my perspective. As for the original topic, a hybrid (4xe) isn't for me, but I'm also no longer convinced it's a bad start for someone who wants to experience a small taste of what BEV ownership could be like. The one downside...IMO, all hybrids, the additional complexity negatively outweighs the marginal benefit it provides. The one vehicle...a gently used 4xe Rubicon...the price is such that you're getting all the Rubicon hardware at a discount, extra power, marginal HEV benefit. The savings could outweigh the complexity or potential dealer headaches...maybe.

I'd be more inclined to avoid 4xe problems, though. If I bought a hybrid it would be from Volvo or Toyota and without any expectation to be an off-road vehicle. I don't think the 4xe is bad, but Jeep has clearly gone lean on its investment in dealer support for it, and that is a bad thing.

remember what? remember that you implied specifically that owning an EV frees you from oil companies that are holding you hostage.

now you are back tracking. its disingenuous. I would trust others but you and I have a history of you constantly harassing me for reasons ive yet to know.

just understand that you were clearly and obviously wrong here, and all im asking is going forward maybe consider what I say instead of just dismissing it outright on account of this.

 

[NWJeepr]

remember what? remember that you implied specifically that owning an EV frees you from oil companies that are holding you hostage.

No, you implied that. Then I went on to explain how choice is a good thing. YOU are welcome to stick to your fossil-fuel burning vehicle as your only choice and not buy an EV. Are we clear, or do you still need to catch up?

I don't care who you trust but if you don't like talking with me, then just freaking stop.

 

[Brad Hearing]

No, you implied that. Then I went on to explain how choice is a good thing. YOU are welcome to stick to your fossil-fuel burning vehicle as your only choice and not buy an EV. Are we clear, or do you still need to catch up?

I don't care who you trust but if you don't like talking with me, then just freaking stop.

lets leave it to others to decide which is which.

 

[Brad Hearing]

No, you implied that. Then I went on to explain how choice is a good thing. YOU are welcome to stick to your fossil-fuel burning vehicle as your only choice and not buy an EV. Are we clear, or do you still need to catch up?

I don't care who you trust but if you don't like talking with me, then just freaking stop.

also notice how you are still wrong here. you just said:

"YOU are welcome to stick to your fossil-fuel burning vehicle as your only choice and not buy an EV."

you still fail to see that the plug in charger is powered by fossil fuels

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