College isn't worth it

[Rogues Gambit]

Yes, too both. . I don't know about the plenty though. For every Bill Gates, Ted Waitt, Michael Dell, etc., there are millions and millions of people making minimum or just above minimum wage. We are fast becoming a nation with no middle class, just the haves and the have nots. I attribute part of this to your original point: college isn't necessary for a lot of good paying jobs, but somehow we have bought into the idea that a college degree is somehow a "ticket" in to just that. But when you put crippling debt onto that ticket, then you have the working poor trying to pay back what they borrowed. It's a terrible cycle.

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[Chipe]

Has to be a way to restore the great middle and to stop the globalists as well

I don't know if it's too late, really. The church where I'm the priest opened a food pantry in January. We are in the Greater Hartford area of Connecticut, in Windsor, the oldest town in CT. We are open on Wednesday from 3:30 to 6:30. We are averaging over 2200 pounds of food a week. That's 3300 meals, A WEEK. The folk that are coming are not the "haves", that's for sure. And it is a humiliating and embarrassing experience to wait in line for an hour for volunteers to give you a bag of food (two bags if you are 4 or more in a family). And food poverty is only one issue. Homelessness (we also have a homeless veteran's ministry), human trafficking, working poor, lack of health care for low/middle class folk, senior citizens forced to choose between food and prescriptions.

A true story:
I was in the pharmacy behind this elderly woman (I suspect in her late 80's) who was trying to get a vital prescription filled. The pharmacist apologetically told her the prescription was going to be over $250. The woman started to cry and finally composed herself and said "Ok, the doctor said it was essential I have these pills, so I guess I can use my monthly grocery money to get them." I was gobsmacked. The pharmacist said ok and the woman sat down in the little chair provided for folk to wait. I was next in line and had already called in my script. Luckily my wife is a teacher and gets fairly good health coverage. I quietly told the pharmacist's assistant that I would pay for the woman's pills, paid for her and my pills, and left. When I went back the following month the pharmacist said the woman broke down sobbing when she found out someone else paid for her meds. I felt good: but what about next time for her??

 

[Rogues Gambit]

I don't know if it's too late, really. The church where I'm the priest opened a food pantry in January. We are in the Greater Hartford area of Connecticut, in Windsor, the oldest town in CT. We are open on Wednesday from 3:30 to 6:30. We are averaging over 2200 pounds of food a week. That's 3300 meals, A WEEK. The folk that are coming are not the "haves", that's for sure. And it is a humiliating and embarrassing experience to wait in line for an hour for volunteers to give you a bag of food (two bags if you are 4 or more in a family). And food poverty is only one issue. Homelessness (we also have a homeless veteran's ministry), human trafficking, working poor, lack of health care for low/middle class folk, senior citizens forced to choose between food and prescriptions.

A true story:
I was in the pharmacy behind this elderly woman (I suspect in her late 80's) who was trying to get a vital prescription filled. The pharmacist apologetically told her the prescription was going to be over $250. The woman started to cry and finally composed herself and said "Ok, the doctor said it was essential I have these pills, so I guess I can use my monthly grocery money to get them." I was gobsmacked. The pharmacist said ok and the woman sat down in the little chair provided for folk to wait. I was next in line and had already called in my script. Luckily my wife is a teacher and gets fairly good health coverage. I quietly told the pharmacist's assistant that I would pay for the woman's pills, paid for her and my pills, and left. When I went back the following month the pharmacist said the woman broke down sobbing when she found out someone else paid for her meds. I felt good: but what about next time for her??

Those stories make me want to become a wealthy philanthropist even more, gives me more ammo to keep writing so I can one day quietly help people out

Though again, what about next time? Always an organized trip up north for medicine though, eh?

 

[Blues]

This. Serve others. Make money. Get an education. Get experience.

But also consider; My oldest son joined the Navy and came home in a body bag. Nice letter from President George H though. Something about a grateful nation. My daughter joined the Army. She came home from Iraq with a TBI. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that life doesn't always work out like the recruiter says.

 

[Chipe]

But also consider; My oldest son joined the Navy and came home in a body bag. Nice letter from President George H though. Something about a grateful nation. My daughter joined the Army. She came home from Iraq with a TBI. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that life doesn't always work out like the recruiter says.

I am so sorry for your losses. I was drafted in '72 and lost a few loved ones as well.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

But also consider; My oldest son joined the Navy and came home in a body bag. Nice letter from President George H though. Something about a grateful nation. My daughter joined the Army. She came home from Iraq with a TBI. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that life doesn't always work out like the recruiter says.

My condolences

 

[GoHack]

In high school, back in the '60's, when we still had a public education system, I took classes in machining and drafting, knowing that my future goal was to become an engineer. They were both very useful in my career over the years.

After high school, I attended a technical college, where I graduated w/both a Certificate of Graduation in Aircraft Maintenance, and an AS in Aeronautical Technology. Worked a few years in aerospace, and paid off all my student loans. I went back to school and majored in Mechanical Engineering, where I got my BS. Since then I've worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry, once again paid off all my student loans.

Over the years, I've returned to school several times, taking various courses in order to keep my skills up to date and beyond.

With that said, first of all, we have a very bad, and poorly managed, government run public education system now-a-days, especially ever since the US Dept. of Education was formed back on Oct 17, 1979.

While we spend more per child than any other country in the world, very little of that money ever gets down to the actual classroom. Instead, it gets eaten up in the bureaucracy of "BIG" and horribly "MISMANAGED" government. The perfect model of what "WILL" happen if we let the federal government take over our healthcare, but that's another issue.

First of all, return back to a curriculum once taught in our public schools, at least when I attended. Simple things like reading, writing, spelling, simple arithmetic, mathematics, penmanship, history, geography, science, and civics. "Keep the f** politics out of all of them, and let these students learn and not be programmed."

Teachers now-a-days are scaling grades, and passing students onto the next grade level who shouldn't be. We have graduating high school students who can't read and write, or do simple math. Many colleges and universities are requiring entrance exams now-a-days, and if applicants do badly, are required to take summer classes in order to prepare them for their Freshman year.

With that all said, many young people who get that simple piece of paper, called a High School Diploma, which use to mean something by the way, are looking towards Junior College in order to get what they were denied them by our taxpayer paid for public schools, or daycare centers.

Then when they go on to pursue a major in college, they select the easiest majors, oh like art, liberal arts, teaching, sociology, law, politics, etc., etc.. The problem is, everyone else is doing the very same thing, thus flooding the market, w/very few jobs in those areas to begin with, and when they do open up, can be very easily filled by the flooded market, for very little pay.

On the other hand, very few pursue the hardest majors, like medicine, mathematics, the sciences, and engineering, where all the jobs are, and very good paying ones at that, but those majors are hard, very hard, and you have to study.

Now don't get me wrong, not everyone needs a college education for a good paying job. There are many trades out there that are in dire need of filling as well, like machining, plumbing, electrical, construction, electronics, mechanics, etc., which aren't being filled because of society's pressure to pursue a college degree. These skills require going either to a trade school, or becoming an apprentice, but upon completion, gets you a very good paying job, and there are plenty of openings, especially as the older and skilled workers retire, sadly w/skills which aren't getting passed on.

Finally, for you college students, get a job during the summer. Any job! If you live at home, use that income to help pay for your college books and school supplies. It's amazing just how many of these young college graduates now-a-days have never had a job, any job, including even at McDonalds. There's nothing to be ashamed of for having worked at McDonalds, and to include it on your resume. Of course the biggest problem is, these young people are so terribly spoiled by their parents now-a-days.

 

[Jammer]

I agree some jobs you don't have to. I did not go to college and I worked for American airlines for 34 years and retired with a great pension and made really really good money along the way. but my wife is a school teacher you have to have your bachelor's degree or you can't be a teacher. teachers make pretty good money. Some districts start off at 58,000

 

[Flyslinger2]

But also consider; My oldest son joined the Navy and came home in a body bag. Nice letter from President George H though. Something about a grateful nation. My daughter joined the Army. She came home from Iraq with a TBI. I'm not complaining, just pointing out that life doesn't always work out like the recruiter says.

You, my friend, should be the envy of every dad here. You raised your children to serve others over themselves. I am confident that God has many blessings ready for your family when you reunite in heaven.

Thank you.

 

[UKCATS]

In high school, back in the '60's, when we still had a public education system, I took classes in machining and drafting, knowing that my future goal was to become an engineer. They were both very useful in my career over the years.

After high school, I attended a technical college, where I graduated w/both a Certificate of Graduation in Aircraft Maintenance, and an AS in Aeronautical Technology. Worked a few years in aerospace, and paid off all my student loans. I went back to school and majored in Mechanical Engineering, where I got my BS. Since then I've worked as an engineer in the aerospace industry, once again paid off all my student loans.

Over the years, I've returned to school several times, taking various courses in order to keep my skills up to date and beyond.

With that said, first of all, we have a very bad, and poorly managed, government run public education system now-a-days, especially ever since the US Dept. of Education was formed back on Oct 17, 1979.

While we spend more per child than any other country in the world, very little of that money ever gets down to the actual classroom. Instead, it gets eaten up in the bureaucracy of "BIG" and horribly "MISMANAGED" government. The perfect model of what "WILL" happen if we let the federal government take over our healthcare, but that's another issue.

First of all, return back to a curriculum once taught in our public schools, at least when I attended. Simple things like reading, writing, spelling, simple arithmetic, mathematics, penmanship, history, geography, science, and civics. "Keep the f** politics out of all of them, and let these students learn and not be programmed."

Teachers now-a-days are scaling grades, and passing students onto the next grade level who shouldn't be. We have graduating high school students who can't read and write, or do simple math. Many colleges and universities are requiring entrance exams now-a-days, and if applicants do badly, are required to take summer classes in order to prepare them for their Freshman year.

With that all said, many young people who get that simple piece of paper, called a High School Diploma, which use to mean something by the way, are looking towards Junior College in order to get what they were denied them by our taxpayer paid for public schools, or daycare centers.

Then when they go on to pursue a major in college, they select the easiest majors, oh like art, liberal arts, teaching, sociology, law, politics, etc., etc.. The problem is, everyone else is doing the very same thing, thus flooding the market, w/very few jobs in those areas to begin with, and when they do open up, can be very easily filled by the flooded market, for very little pay.

On the other hand, very few pursue the hardest majors, like medicine, mathematics, the sciences, and engineering, where all the jobs are, and very good paying ones at that, but those majors are hard, very hard, and you have to study.

Now don't get me wrong, not everyone needs a college education for a good paying job. There are many trades out there that are in dire need of filling as well, like machining, plumbing, electrical, construction, electronics, mechanics, etc., which aren't being filled because of society's pressure to pursue a college degree. These skills require going either to a trade school, or becoming an apprentice, but upon completion, gets you a very good paying job, and there are plenty of openings, especially as the older and skilled workers retire, sadly w/skills which aren't getting passed on.

Finally, for you college students, get a job during the summer. Any job! If you live at home, use that income to help pay for your college books and school supplies. It's amazing just how many of these young college graduates now-a-days have never had a job, any job, including even at McDonalds. There's nothing to be ashamed of for having worked at McDonalds, and to include it on your resume. Of course the biggest problem is, these young people are so terribly spoiled by their parents now-a-days.

 

[SunriseJeep]

Agree and disagree.

Agree - College is absolutely not for everyone and a trade school or entering the workforce is a huge benefit if you’re not going into certain career fields.

Disagree - There are fashion designers, authors, and philosophy majors to have achieve their dream job and are hugely successful at it. It’s the American way to have a dream and go after it. Had these people not pursued a degree that would likely leave them unemployed they wouldn’t have taken the chance and achieve their dreams.

That being said, I believe Adults and our society should portray a more realistic view of exactly what a child’s chance is to achieve careers in particular career fields. And I think that trade jobs like mechanics and construction workers should not be looked down upon as second class the way they do in high school. I have one child who does construction and one who is going to be a doctor and I have no doubt that someday the one doing construction may be making way more money than the doctor because of his skills. People need to do what they’re passionate about and then they will find happiness that money cannot buy.

 

[SunriseJeep]

Another major problem with college in general is that you're asking a still not even fully developed mind to make a choice that is going to be one of the biggest in their lives.

I agree. I have always thought that we needed a 3 to 5 year internship program for all high school students. Guaranteed work baby for at least two years where they switch career fields every two months and get a chance to work with different professions and see what they’re really like. And get a chance to make some money to save for college. I have 3/4 of two different engineering degrees before I finally went and got a computer degree then my masters. My oldest kid was graduating high school by the time I graduated for my masters. And it made life hard but I’m finally doing something I’m passionate about and love. I’ve always told my kids find something you love because you don’t want to degree in something you hate.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

Another problem with college

https://www.infowars.com/this-is-how-college-students-talk-today/

PC culture, brainwashing, safe spaces, title 9, etc.

If you need to absolutely need to go, go at night at a local community college and do just what's required, nothing more

 

[Chocolate Thunder]

Another problem with college

https://www.infowars.com/this-is-how-college-students-talk-today/

PC culture, brainwashing, safe spaces, title 9, etc.

If you need to absolutely need to go, go at night at a local community college and do just what's required, nothing more

If your argument ever had any credibility, you completely lost any shred of it by linking to infowars as a source. Lol.

 

[Rogues Gambit]

If your argument ever had any credibility, you completely lost any shred of it by linking to infowars as a source. Lol.

And what's a credible source, now? Thats not the only site I visit now, I just saw it during my morning cycle and figured I'd share it

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