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You suggest something like this, just pop it on the positive lead and be done with? (and keep a spare handy). 300,400 or 500A?

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Sorry that picture didn’t load for me so I didn’t see it. No I would use an ANL type fuse.
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Everybody has there own reasons….Mine was because my on off switch is on the winch, didn’t like it being accessible for shenanigans…. Also some of the Quadratec winches were recalled for turning themselves on out of the blue, luckily mine wasn’t one… but those are two reasons why I did it….never had any problems in near 6 years now, with this setup and I use my winch more than most ….
Yeah I got that 😂 read the sentence before that. I asked myself that as I still had to get my fat ass out to run the winch 😂
 

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Hey bud,
In my build thread there’s like a quick reference list of where stuff is (I got to where I can’t remember all of it, and scrolling through was a pain in the ass, 😂) it’s on there I think near the top…. I just have a better picture of the top of it… aux wire and ground… my ground wire is red, ( all I had at the time) so don’t let that throw you..🤣
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Also Warn had that huge remote recall that nearly sunk them - the wireless remotes were shorting out and running the winch if they got wet.

I'm not a fan of an unprotected high-power lead and an always-on accessory of that size either.
Forgot all about that. Definitely got to pick your setup with what you’re installing. But yes got to have that fuse! A little PM once in a while is never a bad thing either.
 

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Here, i looked it up for everyone.
HF Badland winch
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The Ametek solenoid
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Now, I'm not an electrical guy so I very well could be wrong, but these data sheets seem to say that the HF winch can pull 448A for the full 45 second duty cycle. From a quick google, I don't think that the peak/inrush current rating on that solenoid is for a 45 second interval. Add to that the break current of 300A, and there's a decent likelihood that with a long, heavy pull, that solenoid is toast. And yes, a 12k pound pull is unlikely on a normal jeep, but a 9k pull would do it too, and that seems much more doable - heavy jeep, uphill, deep snow or large rock ledge adding a lot of resistance, etc. Again, I could be wrong, but that's what the data seems to say.
 

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Here, i looked it up for everyone.
HF Badland winch
1777306790602-iw.webp

1777306849538-ux.webp


The Ametek solenoid
1777306836585-q2.webp


Now, I'm not an electrical guy so I very well could be wrong, but these data sheets seem to say that the HF winch can pull 448A for the full 45 second duty cycle. From a quick google, I don't think that the peak/inrush current rating on that solenoid is for a 45 second interval. Add to that the break current of 300A, and there's a decent likelihood that with a long, heavy pull, that solenoid is toast. And yes, a 12k pound pull is unlikely on a normal jeep, but a 9k pull would do it too, and that seems much more doable - heavy jeep, uphill, deep snow or large rock ledge adding a lot of resistance, etc. Again, I could be wrong, but that's what the data seems to say.
I knew the duty cycle was bad. Just not that bad.

It's how they get away with under spec parts. You have to let it cool down and can't do sustained pulls without frying the solenoids.

Just what I want when I'm in a really bad stuck...
 

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Here, i looked it up for everyone.
HF Badland winch
1777306790602-iw.webp

1777306849538-ux.webp


The Ametek solenoid
1777306836585-q2.webp


Now, I'm not an electrical guy so I very well could be wrong, but these data sheets seem to say that the HF winch can pull 448A for the full 45 second duty cycle. From a quick google, I don't think that the peak/inrush current rating on that solenoid is for a 45 second interval. Add to that the break current of 300A, and there's a decent likelihood that with a long, heavy pull, that solenoid is toast. And yes, a 12k pound pull is unlikely on a normal jeep, but a 9k pull would do it too, and that seems much more doable - heavy jeep, uphill, deep snow or large rock ledge adding a lot of resistance, etc. Again, I could be wrong, but that's what the data seems to say.
Yes that solenoid would not last very long on a heavy pull. But to be clear it has nothing to do with the duty cycle, nor the break current. Break current is just what it can do / handle as the solenoid is disengaging and the magnetic field is collapsing. Not at 300 amps this thing is gonna die. And all honestly slap it in the engine bay and it’s gonna die even quicker.
 

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I knew the duty cycle was bad. Just not that bad.

It's how they get away with under spec parts. You have to let it cool down and can't do sustained pulls without frying the solenoids.

Just what I want when I'm in a really bad stuck...
Not really that it’s under spec parts. It’s got more to do with how electrical items work and the fact it’s a 12v system. Lower voltage is going to equal more amperage and more heat. Parts get to hot they die.
 

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Not really that it’s under spec parts. It’s got more to do with how electrical items work and the fact it’s a 12v system. Lower voltage is going to equal more amperage and more heat. Parts get to hot they die.
You don't need 100% duty cycle but it wouldn't take much to get it up from 5% to 10 or 15% and have a much more usable and reliable winch.
 

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Yes that solenoid would not last very long on a heavy pull. But to be clear it has nothing to do with the duty cycle, nor the break current. Break current is just what it can do / handle as the solenoid is disengaging and the magnetic field is collapsing. Not at 300 amps this thing is gonna die. And all honestly slap it in the engine bay and it’s gonna die even quicker.
I referenced the duty cycle cause that’s the longest pull you could do. It’s just the way to get a time component.
 

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Now, I'm not an electrical guy so I very well could be wrong, but these data sheets seem to say that the HF winch can pull 448A for the full 45 second duty cycle. From a quick google, I don't think that the peak/inrush current rating on that solenoid is for a 45 second interval.
It is 2 minutes, and it's 600A at that time. Neither break nor inrush are the same as "peak".

Last page - metal-case-solenoid.pdf
 

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I have the same Stinger 500 solenoid installed as @Roky , wired to Aux 3. That is rated to 500 amps continuous, and 900 max. My Warn Zeon 10 tops out at 408 amps pulling 10,000 lbs. I have not bothered to put a fuse in place.
 

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It is 2 minutes, and it's 600A at that time. Neither break nor inrush are the same as "peak".

Last page - metal-case-solenoid.pdf
Ahh see the data sheet i found didn't have that info.

I know inrush and peak aren't the same thing, but wouldn't the Inrush max be the same as the peak? I know inrush as a concept is talking about the current during a period of time, not a single instant, but i have understood the inrush rating being the same as peak since it's just in amps and doesn't have a time factor.
 

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Ahh see the data sheet i found didn't have that info.

I know inrush and peak aren't the same thing, but wouldn't the Inrush max be the same as the peak? I know inrush as a concept is talking about the current during a period of time, not a single instant, but i have understood the inrush rating being the same as peak since it's just in amps and doesn't have a time factor.
Inrush is usually like a fraction of a second. Peak (sometimes called intermittent) is a limited time as defined by the manufacturer. It's not a perfectly defined system, but inrush is shorter than peak which is shorter than continuous, timewise.

Inrush for these solenoids is 900A, 45 seconds peak/intermittent is 800A, 120 seconds peak/intermittent is 600A and continuous is 200A. I know this because I thoroughly researched this model line before I spec'd one for my winch.
 

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Inrush is usually like a fraction of a second. Peak (sometimes called intermittent) is a limited time as defined by the manufacturer. It's not a perfectly defined system, but inrush is shorter than peak which is shorter than continuous, timewise.

Inrush for these solenoids is 900A, 45 seconds peak/intermittent is 800A, 120 seconds peak/intermittent is 600A and continuous is 200A. I know this because I thoroughly researched this model line before I spec'd one for my winch.
Gotcha. That's why I'm mechanical. I only know enough electrical to get very specific things done.
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