4xe vs 3.6 vs 2.0

[BXFXJeep]

From what I have been reading the lighter, more energy dense, faster charging, not fire prone SS batteries are coming Soon. A 4Xe bought today could easily be obsolete before it’s paid off. Resale value should negatively be effected.
No recalls, issues, or problems except one minor one self created on my 21 392. Used are going for ~ $65 — $75 K variables dependent. It should maintain it’s value quite well should you decide to sell it and get a next gen 4Xe or REPB when available. Yep- the mileage sux, ~11 -11 1/2 city— but ~15 -16 hwy isn’t that bad on balance for the power and no problems.

I'm not exactly sure why anyone would need faster charging on a 4xe, please explain why faster charging is needed.

If newer battery tech becomes available, then it's just a matter of swapping out the battery if you want.

A REPB and a PHEV are two very different vehicles for 2 very different purposes, it's like comparing the diesel to the 4xe.

The 4xe and the 392 are two very different vehicles also, people buying PHEVs, because they don't want 11 mpg in the city, or the 392 equally shitty highway mpg.

The 4xe is also not a substitute for the 3.6 or 2.0T.

Yea, and keep waiting for a "newer" 4xe.

The good thing about resale value, is the resale value on all these JLs suck

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[1Warped Jeeper]

Supposedly, the new 4XE is not under the recalls that plague most of them (95B recall). My Grand Cherokee 4XE is under it's 6th recall for the battery. I have owned the 2.0T and currently own both a 392 and 3.6. The 3.6 is fine if you don't tow anything more than 2000lbs and keep it below 2800' elevation. I like the 3.6 over the 2.0T only for the lack of turbo lag, which really wasn't that much. Get what you want, but I would stay away from the hybrid as I lost all faith in Stellantis engineering.

FWIW, I had 35s on the 2.0T with the 4.10 Rubicon gears and the 3.6 is currently running 38s with 5:13 gearing, and the 392 is on 37s with stock 4.56 gearing.

 

[Heimkehr]

The 3.6L and 2.0L are about equal in reliability. The 2.0L is more powerful. The 3.6L is SIGNIFICNALTY easier to work on and has much lower labor costs.

Doesn't the V6 require not-minor disassembly -- e.g., full removal of a manifold -- simply to gain access to at least a couple of the spark plugs when changing them? All I had to do was unplug four coil connectors on my 2.0T. Done.

I get that in other instances, there might be fewer things to faff with on the V6 when compared to the four cylinder, but I've read enough owner posts about maintaining the Pentastar to conclude that it might not deserve the claim of significantly (even in non-caps) easier labor. This is doubly true when considering the history of reliable functioning of the 2.0T vs. the issues that continue to bedevil the six cylinder (example.)

Just curious.

 

[BXFXJeep]

My Grand Cherokee 4XE is under it's 6th recall for the battery

6th recall for the battery?

The Wrangler is on #2, how is the GC 4xe on number 6?

 

[2nd 392]

I'm not exactly sure why anyone would need faster charging on a 4xe, please explain why faster charging is needed.

If newer battery tech becomes available, then it's just a matter of swapping out the battery if you want.

A REPB and a PHEV are two very different vehicles for 2 very different purposes, it's like comparing the diesel to the 4xe.

The 4xe and the 392 are two very different vehicles also, people buying PHEVs, because they don't want 11 mpg in the city, or the 392 equally shitty highway mpg.

The 4xe is also not a substitute for the 3.6 or 2.0T.

Yea, and keep waiting for a "newer" 4xe.

The good thing about resale value, is the resale value on all these JLs suck

Faster charging is just one of the advantages that comes with the SS batteries. Lighter will certainly be better, more energy dense for more range for size will be also, so faster charging isn’t better ?….
Correct- the present hybrid and REPB are different, with the REPB appearing to be a simpler system with other advantages, see Ramcharger numbers.
Yes, you could swap the battery If replacements for current ones are made, at a price.
A 21 392 is worth fairly close to it’s original MSRP ($73.5K) if in good shape and not excessive miles. 21 4Xe’s depreciation ? Or any other models in comparison. How much gas would the difference buy ? How many recalls and issues have they had comparatively ?

I stand by my opinion to get a used 392 now and wait for the next gen of electrified if you want one. The REPB’s look promising, but time will tell.

 

[Old Dogger]

The 3.6 with 8 spd is miles ahead of the JK 5psd auto implementation.

100% AGREE..This is a great second choice as to what is offered as of current. But it is only second to the 392 with a 8 sppeed transmission.

 

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[BXFXJeep]

Faster charging is just one of the advantages that comes with the SS batteries. Lighter will certainly be better, more energy dense for more range for size will be also, so faster charging isn’t better ?…. Correct- the present hybrid and REPB are different, with the REPB appearing to be a simpler system with other advantages, see Ramcharger numbers. Yes, you could swap the battery If replacements for current ones are made, at a price.
A 21 392 is worth fairly close to it’s original MSRP ($73.5K) if in good shape and not excessive miles. 21 4Xe’s depreciation ? Or any other models in comparison. How much gas would the difference buy ? How many recalls and issues have they had comparatively ?

I stand by my opinion to get a used 392 now and wait for the next gen of electrified if you want one. The REPB’s look promising, but time will tell.

I think you are completely missing the point of a PHEV, especially a PHEV Wrangler, the way a PHEV like the 4xe is used there is no need for faster charging, range is also debatable, if the bulk of my driving is within the current range, what difference does more range matter to me?

Faster charging than what the 4xe currently handles would also be a lot more expensive.

Faster charging also means you are blowing through the range, then requiring faster charging on the go, it makes zero sense to use a 4xe like that.

a PHEV is generally charge at night, drive to work or similar, drive back home, outside of that use the gas engine, or also some regular short trips during the day for people like me that don't commute to work.

The 4xe have nothing in common with a 392, so instead of using zero gas for you daily commute, you are telling people 11 mpg is the way to go while waiting out better tech.

The 2021 392 currently seems to be asking 80% off the MSRP, they all seem very low mileage, almost as if they are too expensive to drive regularly at 11 mpg.

 

[2nd 392]

I think you are completely missing the point of a PHEV, especially a PHEV Wrangler, the way a PHEV like the 4xe is used there is no need for faster charging, range is also debatable, if the bulk of my driving is within the current range, what difference does more range matter to me?

Faster charging than what the 4xe currently handles would also be a lot more expensive.

Faster charging also means you are blowing through the range, then requiring faster charging on the go, it makes zero sense to use a 4xe like that.

a PHEV is generally charge at night, drive to work or similar, drive back home, outside of that use the gas engine, or also some regular short trips during the day for people like me that don't commute to work.

The 4xe have nothing in common with a 392, so instead of using zero gas for you daily commute, you are telling people 11 mpg is the way to go while waiting out better tech.

The 2021 392 currently seems to be asking 80% off the MSRP, they all seem very low mileage, almost as if they are too expensive to drive regularly at 11 mpg.

Yes, I agree to your points, but we are looking at it with different perspectives. I am looking at cost/value, with the new battery tech the resale of current ones will take a hit. If SS replacements are produced it won’t be until full production is achieved, IE,Toyota stated limited production at first. They won’t be cheap either, cost/value again. If the REPB’s prove a good choice the current hybrids resale will likely be further negatively effected.
I get 15-16 mpg hwy, the 4Xe (even 4 or 6cyl hwy) after 20 mi ? The cost difference vs proven resale value retention difference ?
Yes in town mpg sux vs no gas for short 4Xe errand running, but I now enjoy errand running, even find excuses to run them.

 

[JeepinJason33]

I think you are completely missing the point of a PHEV, especially a PHEV Wrangler, the way a PHEV like the 4xe is used there is no need for faster charging, range is also debatable, if the bulk of my driving is within the current range, what difference does more range matter to me?

Faster charging than what the 4xe currently handles would also be a lot more expensive.

Faster charging also means you are blowing through the range, then requiring faster charging on the go, it makes zero sense to use a 4xe like that.

a PHEV is generally charge at night, drive to work or similar, drive back home, outside of that use the gas engine, or also some regular short trips during the day for people like me that don't commute to work.

The 4xe have nothing in common with a 392, so instead of using zero gas for you daily commute, you are telling people 11 mpg is the way to go while waiting out better tech.

The 2021 392 currently seems to be asking 80% off the MSRP, they all seem very low mileage, almost as if they are too expensive to drive regularly at 11 mpg.

Not sure that most people that are buying the 392 are using it as their daily driver. My Jeep is not my daily driver.

I have not owned the 4XE so no idea on how fast they charge. I just traded my wifes Jeep GCL in for a 2025 BMW X5 xdrive50e before I had a chance to finish wiring up the 240 outlet. Charging it off of regular 120 from 0-100% took over 28 hours. I just finished the 240 installation and did the same test last night. 3.4 hours from 0-100%. My wife drove it 31 miles this morning and plugged it in. Took less than two hours to go from 14 miles back to 48 miles. We will drive it again tonight out to dinner. Anyway, I think the newer 4XE will eventually allow for fast charging as it does make a big difference.

 

[2nd 392]

Not sure that most people that are buying the 392 are using it as their daily driver. My Jeep is not my daily driver.

I have not owned the 4XE so no idea on how fast they charge. I just traded my wifes Jeep GCL in for a 2025 BMW X5 xdrive50e before I had a chance to finish wiring up the 240 outlet. Charging it off of regular 120 from 0-100% took over 28 hours. I just finished the 240 installation and did the same test last night. 3.4 hours from 0-100%. My wife drove it 31 miles this morning and plugged it in. Took less than two hours to go from 14 miles back to 48 miles. We will drive it again tonight out to dinner. Anyway, I think the newer 4XE will eventually allow for fast charging as it does make a big difference.

I gave the 4Xe a fleeting thought having home solar and the dryer plug moved to the garage side of the wall. The garage the GC is now the Queen of on a battery maintainer while I DD my fun 392.

 

[samcf]

Let's clear up some mpg questions on the 4xe. Rubicon, 2" lift, 37" tires.

Hwy mpg:
Dead battery Hybrid mode: 18-19 mpg.
Dead Battery E-save (charging): 17.5 mpg
Charged battery in Hybrid: 25-28mpg.
Short trips: All electric.
Towing 3500 lb camper at 65mph with dead battery: 9.5 mpg

So many scenarios with drastically different economy. If you're charging the battery every night and commute less than 75 miles per day. I would expect 25+ mpg in Hybrid mode.

 

[1Warped Jeeper]

6th recall for the battery?

The Wrangler is on #2, how is the GC 4xe on number 6?

I don't know, but that was according to my Jeep app and the number of times it was in the shop or over the air updates. I wish I could say that I was exaggerating, but sadly, that is not the case. Yes, I am bitter about all of the recalls!

 

[Dusty Dude]

My $.02 : I think you need to look a little closer as to how you are planning on using your Wrangler. Short commutes generally - 4xe. Longer commutes or mostly on road - 2L or 3.6L. More off road - 3.6L.

I chose the 3.6L because it is overall a simpler proven engine. 2.0L so far seems to be just as reliable, but I hate turbos. 4XE’s are complicated and beyond the repair capabilities of most dealerships, which I think is where the “4xe hate” comes from.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Yes, I agree to your points, but we are looking at it with different perspectives. I am looking at cost/value, with the new battery tech the resale of current ones will take a hit. If SS replacements are produced it won’t be until full production is achieved, IE,Toyota stated limited production at first. They won’t be cheap either, cost/value again. If the REPB’s prove a good choice the current hybrids resale will likely be further negatively effected.
I get 15-16 mpg hwy, the 4Xe (even 4 or 6cyl hwy) after 20 mi ? The cost difference vs proven resale value retention difference ?
Yes in town mpg sux vs no gas for short 4Xe errand running, but I now enjoy errand running, even find excuses to run them.

Again the purpose of a PHEV like the 4xe is doing those 15 mpg city trips using electric, depending on speed, the 4xe highway mpg varies, for me I get anywhere between 20-23 mpg, for me I don't really care, because the vast majority of my driving is city, which means I'm saving over $3,500 a year in gas bills.

A 392 means I would have spent over $12,000 over that same period in gas.

You keep harping about REPBs(ramcharger), these are essentially BEVs with a big ole V6 gas engine to charge the battery, it's as asinine as it sounds, especially for a vehicle like a Wrangler. It's so asinine even Dodge doesn't like people referring to it as a gas engine.

Not sure that most people that are buying the 392 are using it as their daily driver. My Jeep is not my daily driver.

I have not owned the 4XE so no idea on how fast they charge. I just traded my wifes Jeep GCL in for a 2025 BMW X5 xdrive50e before I had a chance to finish wiring up the 240 outlet. Charging it off of regular 120 from 0-100% took over 28 hours. I just finished the 240 installation and did the same test last night. 3.4 hours from 0-100%. My wife drove it 31 miles this morning and plugged it in. Took less than two hours to go from 14 miles back to 48 miles. We will drive it again tonight out to dinner. Anyway, I think the newer 4XE will eventually allow for fast charging as it does make a big difference.

There are 3 types of charging

Level 1 - 120v
Level 2 - 240v the Wrangler has one of the fastest onboard charger for a PHEV.

Level 3 - fast charging this cost 10s of thousands of dollars, and is mainly used for commercial purposes, I'm guessing some rich people would install a $50,000 fast charger at home, it really makes zero sense, but hey if you can afford a charger that cost the same as the vehicle, go for it.

Time to charge varies depending on battery size and level 2 speeds.

And the way a 4xe is used it would not benefit from fast charging beyond the level 2, which is why only only the Mitsubishi have DC fast charging, but an extremely horrible level 2 charger.

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