V6 vs 4xe

[BXFXJeep]

V6 vs 4xe boils down to what are you looking for that you are not getting out of your current 2018.

I had a 2018 JL 3.6, traded it for 2021 4xe, my sole reason for this, was the cost of fuel with the V6. Where I live it's extremely cheap vs expensive , it's $6 a gallon where I live, gas will be going up $1 a gallon to $7 on April 1, and carbon tax will keep going up here for the foreseeable future.

There was absolutely nothing wrong with the 2018 JL, if I lived somewhere with cheap gas, I would not have gotten the 4xe.

For me it was simple, instead of paying $8 everyday doing my regular driving, it now cost less than $1.50, so the gas savings over 3 years more than covered the cost moving from the 2018 to 2021.

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[BXFXJeep]

If you like a 4XE then get one, but I would lease it, and not own it unless it was under warranty. The hybrid parts are covered for 8 year or 100,000 miles, but the rest is standard warranty. I see way too many of those things come in on rollback to buy. They lose value like crazy. I think they are a horrible design, but some people like them.

Demonstrate how they lose value more than the 3.6 or 2.0, this claim is sheer fallacy. For some that bought/lease without any incentives yes, they got nailed, same as people with a 3.6 or 2.0.

Be a smart consumer, and don't expect a mass market vehicle to be an investment, these JLs are dime a dozen.

The people complaining about resale seem to be the ones that leased and can't flip it for more than the resale, or people who want to flip them after a couple of years.

 

[JAC34]

For me, it’s a personal fun vehicle that u only drive abt 5-6k miles/yr. I’m really just looking for a sky top as I’m tired of soft/hard top switches and storing. I also flat tow it behind my RV a few times a year which is why I got a jeep.

And love the drive after having one on a rental, I refuse to lease or buy new due to the depreciation.

So I’m looking for a used one with the kinks/recalls worked out around 30-40k miles.

Thx for all the input!

 

[jellis4148]

Demonstrate how they lose value more than the 3.6 or 2.0, this claim is sheer fallacy. For some that bought/lease without any incentives yes, they got nailed, same as people with a 3.6 or 2.0.

Be a smart consumer, and don't expect a mass market vehicle to be an investment, these JLs are dime a dozen.

The people complaining about resale seem to be the ones that leased and can't flip it for more than the resale, or people who want to flip them after a couple of years.

I see people try to trade them in all the time, and us selling them. You can't hardly give one away around here. Maybe where you live at $7 a gallon fuel they sell better. They sell okay as new because of the tax credit. A $70,000 4XE sells for around $55,000 here, and a year old with descent miles is worth about $30-$35. A gas would bring around $40-$45 with the same miles. I have a 2019 with 52,000 miles, and can still sell it for around $35,000-$38,000. I only paid $49,000 after discounts. Losing around $11,000-$14,000 in 6 years seems a lot better than losing $25,000 in one. We just had a 2024 in service that needed $9,000 in repairs. Battery issues, charging issues, and other stuff. Had 30,000 miles on it.

 

[jellis4148]

For me, it’s a personal fun vehicle that u only drive abt 5-6k miles/yr. I’m really just looking for a sky top as I’m tired of soft/hard top switches and storing. I also flat tow it behind my RV a few times a year which is why I got a jeep.

And love the drive after having one on a rental, I refuse to lease or buy new due to the depreciation.

So I’m looking for a used one with the kinks/recalls worked out around 30-40k miles.

Thx for all the input!

The kinks will never be out of the 4XE. I know there are plenty with 0 issues, but the odds are seriously against you. The chance that they used one you are buying is someone else's problem is pretty high.

 

[BigMaCro]

Looks like John can get you a great deal on a 4xe!

 

[kah.mun.rah]

Demonstrate how they lose value more than the 3.6 or 2.0, this claim is sheer fallacy. For some that bought/lease without any incentives yes, they got nailed, same as people with a 3.6 or 2.0.

Be a smart consumer, and don't expect a mass market vehicle to be an investment, these JLs are dime a dozen.

The people complaining about resale seem to be the ones that leased and can't flip it for more than the resale, or people who want to flip them after a couple of years.

In 2021 the Base price of:
2021 Rubicon 4xe = $54,725
2021 Rubicon 3.6L = $42,375

Today where I live the average price:
2021 Rubicon 4xe = $27,756
2021 Rubicon 3.6L = $33,970

That is $26,969 depreciation of the 4xe vs $8,405 on the 3.6L. A difference of $18,564.

 

[Skeethree]

Hello-

I currently have a 2018 Sahara V6 with AEV 2.5” lift and 35” Falken tires. I’m considering a change to a 4xe Rubi after testing one out as my rental car. Found it very fun to drive.

Anyone who made the switch, pls provide pros/cons.

Also-can you put 35s on a Rubi without a lift?

Went from Rubicon ICE to Rubicon 4xe. I'll never switch back. The ICE had terrible steering and mediocre gas mileage. The 4xe cost $5000 less than the ICE after the rebate, steered perfectly and used a fraction of the fuel. Plus, more powerful and smoother.

 

[JAC34]

I see people try to trade them in all the time, and us selling them. You can't hardly give one away around here. Maybe where you live at $7 a gallon fuel they sell better. They sell okay as new because of the tax credit. A $70,000 4XE sells for around $55,000 here, and a year old with descent miles is worth about $30-$35. A gas would bring around $40-$45 with the same miles. I have a 2019 with 52,000 miles, and can still sell it for around $35,000-$38,000. I only paid $49,000 after discounts. Losing around $11,000-$14,000 in 6 years seems a lot better than losing $25,000 in one. We just had a 2024 in service that needed $9,000 in repairs. Battery issues, charging issues, and other stuff. Had 30,000 miles on it.

Prob has a lot to do with what part of the country too. I know this gets to be a debated topic, but it really makes sense.

There are the group of people that will prefer gas/big engines or hybrid/electric depending on their stance on environment and fossil fuels, etc. You won’t change either one of their minds and they will bash the other strictly on that principle.

Then there is a group that just likes the hybrid/electric technology b/c it’s pretty cool (and fast). Not really in it for environmental benefits, just early adopters to new technology.

Then there is a group that truly is going for green/fuel cost benefits.

All if these factors will sway your opinions on which is better/more reliable, etc.

Even the sales guy at one dealer says we get them all the time on trade-ins and nobody wants them. But then when they get one it’s gone the day it comes in! Then he starts going into political reasons and I walked away b/c I DONT WANT TO HEAR IT!! I just want a Jeep!!

 

[BXFXJeep]

I see people try to trade them in all the time, and us selling them. You can't hardly give one away around here. Maybe where you live at $7 a gallon fuel they sell better. They sell okay as new because of the tax credit. A $70,000 4XE sells for around $55,000 here, and a year old with descent miles is worth about $30-$35. A gas would bring around $40-$45 with the same miles. I have a 2019 with 52,000 miles, and can still sell it for around $35,000-$38,000. I only paid $49,000 after discounts. Losing around $11,000-$14,000 in 6 years seems a lot better than losing $25,000 in one. We just had a 2024 in service that needed $9,000 in repairs. Battery issues, charging issues, and other stuff. Had 30,000 miles on it.

People were buying a $58K MSRP 4xe for $38K.

In 2021 the Base price of:
2021 Rubicon 4xe = $54,725
2021 Rubicon 3.6L = $42,375

Today where I live the average price:
2021 Rubicon 4xe = $27,756
2021 Rubicon 3.6L = $33,970

That is $26,969 depreciation of the 4xe vs $8,405 on the 3.6L. A difference of $18,564.

The MSRP on the 4xe didn't reflect the sale price, people were paying $38K for a $58K 4xe, no many people will pay resale based on the 4xe MSRP

 

[cansberry]

lol, i nearly spit my coffee out when i read that

I'll stand by that statement, but I'll also emphasize that they're not put together as well. Jeep straight up cheaped out on the battery, hence all the damn recalls. The issues everyone has with em? Typically related to battery or electrical issues.

The 3.6 however has had some persistent issues since it launched that seem to be engineering related.

The kinks will never be out of the 4XE. I know there are plenty with 0 issues, but the odds are seriously against you. The chance that they used one you are buying is someone else's problem is pretty high.

Disagree that the kinks will never be worked out. It's like any other powertrain or tech. It gets figured out over time. But you're not wrong that there's a good possibility you'll pick up a problem Jeep used. However, I think that's true regardless of powertrain. Just have to be cautious.

To the OP, try to get a 2023 and up 4xe. The majority of the problems seem to be with those first 2 years.

 

[BXFXJeep]

I'll stand by that statement, but I'll also emphasize that they're not put together as well. Jeep straight up cheaped out on the battery, hence all the damn recalls. The issues everyone has with em? Typically related to battery or electrical issues.

The 3.6 however has had some persistent issues since it launched that seem to be engineering related.



Disagree that the kinks will never be worked out. It's like any other powertrain or tech. It gets figured out over time. But you're not wrong that there's a good possibility you'll pick up a problem Jeep used. However, I think that's true regardless of powertrain. Just have to be cautious.

To the OP, try to get a 2023 and up 4xe. The majority of the problems seem to be with those first 2 years.

Issues are hit and miss across all years, some dealerships still haven't figured out basic troubleshooting, and remedy, the earlier years was basically dealership service failing like they have always done. There have been Wrangler lemons long before the 4xe, every so often you see them popping up here, and no one makes a big deal out of it, like they do with the 4xe.

Now most people know what problems are and how to fix them, also in the early years, people were absolutely clueless as to what they bought, some thought it was a BEV, some thought it was an HEV, some were pissed the gas engine required running at times, then there are the usual JL issues adding into the mix.

I've had mine since November 2021, aside from the heater replacement in Jan 2025, it has always been running as it should.

The biggest problem with the 4xe is the same service that doesn't know how to change oil in the 3.6, is expected to work on these vehicles.

 

[SAJN]

I have had mine almost three months, so not a lot of time to evaluate. The only hybrid type issue I have had was a CEL for the battery pack coolant heater, which was covered under warranty. I have had five hybrids in the past, so I had some idea of how these work. I did find out that when temps are below freezing, it is best to just run in hybrid mode so that the oil gets hot enough to burn off any residual gas, otherwise it goes into FORM mode and you will not be able to go into all electric mode until it is satisfied that the process is complete. Otherwise, the power is awesome. The main downside I see is that their value is dropping a lot. But, for someone buying now, that is a good thing. I would agree that if you get one, get the newest one you can afford since it should have all, if not most, of the issues that most early models have.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

People were buying a $58K MSRP 4xe for $38K.


The MSRP on the 4xe didn't reflect the sale price, people were paying $38K for a $58K 4xe, no many people will pay resale based on the 4xe MSRP

Hard To know all of the incentives, sales, etc. so MSRP to MSRP of the base is an apple to apple. Besides, show me an example of a 2021 4xe that sold for $18K under MSPR in 2021. That year many were selling for over MSRP.

 

[Moses212]

The 6 all the way. Tried and true..
I had a '19 JLUR with the 6 and switched to a '21 4xe. The reason for the switch was that the steering on my 19 was never great and with the tax credit on the 4xe the price made sense.
My 4xe was fantastic, but, the crazy recalls were an issue - do not charge it, do not park inside. And while the Jeep was outside it was stolen.
The low resale of the 4xe was a killer for the insurance settlement.

If buying a used 4xe today I'd be concerned with the resale. And it seems like years down the road, it will be more complicated to fix on your own. Also, to consider, if Jeep comes out with a new version with 5x the range, that'll also be a hard hit on values.

Anyhow, I really enjoyed the 4xe, mine was solid without any issues other than recalls. But from an environmental point of view, forget it. After a few miles I would be running on gas and getting worse mileage than a 6. Not like manufacturing these batteries and eventually disposing of them is a clean process. Plus the electricity to charge my 4xe wasn't coming from solar.. Anyhow, my old Jeep is probably in Africa, so maybe someone set up solar panels and they're riding it back and forth to the port solely on electric and doing their small part to keep the air clean.
I'm not hating on the 4xe. If you go that route, it should still end up being great.

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