4xe curious

[chips have salt]

I love my stick shift JLU sport. The only mod it has are KO2's and I love how it handles on nasty trails. Judging how the world is moving, my next Jeep will probably be battery powered to some extent. I rented a 4xe Sahara at the Denver airport a few months ago and only drove it on snowy paved roads for a few days so I didn't get a good feel for what it would be like to live with.

Wondering a few things from this community:

1. How do 4xe's do off road compared to gas powered ones? Are you aware of the extra 800 lbs? Two people I've talked to said no but I'd like more input.

2. I always have my rear seats folded down so I can haul bikes and stuff, but it seems like you loose a little space with the flipup seats. How much do you notice this lost space?

3. Did you buy or lease? Seems like Jeep has some strong incentives to lease but I've always financed in the past.

4. After a year or two, how does the battery hold up? How does it hold up in hot or cold temps?

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[BXFXJeep]

1. Look at some YouTube videos and judge for yourself.

2. This is solely based on your usage, no one else can give you proper advice on this, take a measuring tape to a 4xe, or take your bikes to a dealership and check if they fit, personally a bike rack is much better than stuffing bicycles in the cabin area of any vehicle.

3. Easy to do the math yourself, no one.l knows your finances better than you, unless you want to provide that information for people to crunch the numbers for you.

4. Based on what you mean by hot and cold, most of what you hear about EV batteries are old wives tales, best to do your own research than depend on what people will tell you, the 4xe have been out since 2021, what have you heard about their batteries?

 

[chips have salt]

Thanks for the advice BXFX. I've looked into this a bunch on youtube and read motortrend etc reviews. At the same time, I place a lot of value on the feedback from people on this forum, which is made up of those who drive these cars daily and care about them a lot.

 

[Mgg253]

They off road just fine

Haven’t had a non 4xe wrangler, but you do lose some space with the seats. I agree a bike rack is better than shoving them inside.

I bought, I keep my vehicles for 7-10 years and took full advantage of the tax benefits

my battery at 22k miles still gets 21-22 miles on a charge. The cold makes a big difference in range because resistance heating uses a lot of power, the AC also makes a moderate difference, but not as bad. I rarely use the AC though, the top off suits me better.

Overall I’m a big fan, but there has been hiccups. I don’t understand why electric is so polarizing, but it’s damned fun to drive.

 

[Rick4570]

1. Look at some YouTube videos and judge for yourself.

2. This is solely based on your usage, no one else can give you proper advice on this, take a measuring tape to a 4xe, or take your bikes to a dealership and check if they fit, personally a bike rack is much better than stuffing bicycles in the cabin area of any vehicle.

3. Easy to do the math yourself, no one.l knows your finances better than you, unless you want to provide that information for people to crunch the numbers for you.

4. Based on what you mean by hot and cold, most of what you hear about EV batteries are old wives tales, best to do your own research than depend on what people will tell you, the 4xe have been out since 2021, what have you heard about their batteries?

So according to your advice, we should just shut this forum down.

The whole idea is that the original poster wants feedback from those that have experience with these vehicles. What better place to come to than right here?

 

[ajkitebrder40]

I love my stick shift JLU sport. The only mod it has are KO2's and I love how it handles on nasty trails. Judging how the world is moving, my next Jeep will probably be battery powered to some extent. I rented a 4xe Sahara at the Denver airport a few months ago and only drove it on snowy paved roads for a few days so I didn't get a good feel for what it would be like to live with.

Wondering a few things from this community:

1. How do 4xe's do off road compared to gas powered ones? Are you aware of the extra 800 lbs? Two people I've talked to said no but I'd like more input.

2. I always have my rear seats folded down so I can haul bikes and stuff, but it seems like you loose a little space with the flipup seats. How much do you notice this lost space?

3. Did you buy or lease? Seems like Jeep has some strong incentives to lease but I've always financed in the past.

4. After a year or two, how does the battery hold up? How does it hold up in hot or cold temps?

Man, I debated this myself, largely because a ton of my trips are within the electric range. I also slept in my JL and carried my MTB in the back. The big drawbacks were:

1. No manual transmission, I've only had 1 automatic in my life, and I'd rather hang on to the manual as long as feasible.

2. The rear seats don't fold flat.

 

[BXFXJeep]

So according to your advice, we should just shut this forum down.

The whole idea is that the original poster wants feedback from those that have experience with these vehicles. What better place to come to than right here?

These post usually descend into irrational anti EV rants, from people that don't own a 4xe.

The questions the OP are asking can be easily answered by doing their own research, because the bulk of it only applies to them.

 

[graytag]

I'll just add my 2 points you should consider, in my opinion:
1)Jeep service, in my experience, is the worst. Being a current Jeep owner, you've either accepted this or actually have a good dealer. While mine has been bulletproof, it has still gone in for 4 recalls in 2 years, each of which has taken days..
2)Depreciation- this is the anti-Wrangler. While I love mine, the resale market disagrees. Just know it won't be worth what they normally are- if you don't plan to keep it more than 5 years, might want to lease and take the tax credit up front and let Jeep worry about its future value.

-my 2 cents

 

[lindaspins]

1. Best offroader we've had so far. The torque is perfect, and once you get a handle on the extra power so you don't accidently go airborne, it's awesome.
2. There are ways around the not-flat seats. I agree with others though, a rack would probably be easier.
The space we miss most is under the rear seats but we've adapted. I have a rear drawer setup (look for Wheels & Feels) that I love and it evens out the space and adds great storage.
3. Bought, because leasing just isn't practical for us. There are some great incentives though.
4. 2 1/2 years and 36k miles on the battery and I'm not seeing any range loss. Cold weather will always lower range. I haven't seen any issues in hot weather.
Keep in mind this is basically a hybrid with the extra bonus of plug in charging so you get a bit of fun all- electric range. It's nice to do local drives without using gas, and it does add up over time. But- it's still a Wrangler, and once you're driving 75 mph across Kansas in a headwind, it's still going to get Wrangler mpg's, just with more grins (yes, all the torque and hp are still available regardless of the high voltage battery's SOC).
If we had to replace ours tomorrow, we would 100% get another 4xe.

I will tell you though, as someone who had to stop driving manuals because of foot and knee arthritis- you will never stop missing driving a stick. The grin factor I get from driving the 4xe over big rocks does help make up for it.

 

[sconrad24]

So according to your advice, we should just shut this forum down.

The whole idea is that the original poster wants feedback from those that have experience with these vehicles. What better place to come to than right here?

Well this thread will probably devolve into a place for ev skeptics to hate on the 4xe like most 4xe threads. Some of it is legit some isn't. At that point what help will it be to the OP?

 

[DewHawk]

The 4xe really does well when you can maximize battery usage around town. If your daily commute extends beyond the battery’s effective range and or you can’t charge it for the return trip, it starts to lose some of its efficiency.

My first one was great off road, I did have one issue that seemed to be a fluke but I’ve seen it happen before to others (look up Trail Recon on YouTube, his experience was similar to mine using 4H off road. It’s a very finicky system unless you’re absolutely sure all the traction/abs systems are disabled). That being said, it’s a heavy beast and only gets heavier with mods and applying power smoothly in certain situations is a real pain in the ass at times.

I personally think it’s better to lease. 4xe’s don’t hold their value nearly as well as any of the other powertrain options do. If you decide not to keep yours even after a year, your resale/trade value is gonna be a major kick in the teeth compared to the equivalent 3.6.

The fold down seat is a compromise because of the battery. It works, but for what you’re trying to do, you’re better off with an external carrier for the bikes. A regular wrangler will have a noticeable advantage in internal cargo room (and it’s definitely bigger than most would argue).

As others have said, cold weather really does impact the battery range of these and you’ll likely see something called FORM happen often if you aren’t getting the 2.0L turbo oil temperature up high enough at least once a month when the weather really drops down. I noticed about a 6-7 mile range drop from temperatures below 30F ambient.

Hope this helps. I’m not trying to $hit on the 4xe, but it really depends on if your use case makes sense to get one.

 

[BXFXJeep]

The government subsidy need to be factored into resale value.

 

[graytag]

The government subsidy need to be factored into resale value.

It helps but it's still ugly. They made a lot of these, flooded the market, had some challenges. Again, love mine, but I love it more knowing I leased it. YMMV.

 

[PatriotX]

My 2022 Rubi has had a couple of issues, but just typical Wrangler stuff - windshields and door seals. The mechanical side of things has been bulletproof.

First mod was a quality 12v battery to obviate the issues associated with the OEM garbage.

I have wheeled this thing HARD over the last 2 years, and would 100% replace it with another 4xe. I’m too big to sleep in any Wrangler, so the flat load floor isn’t missed.

Don‘t worry about charging anywhere but at home with a Lvl2, fill it with gas like a regular Jeep, and enjoy the power.

 

[rock-rod]

I've had my 2022 since Oct (bought it used with about 9k miles on it ). while I haven't wheeled it yet, it is my daily driver and I use it for running kids to/from school and general errands that are typically within the battery range. This means I run it mostly on electric. I have taken it on longer drives for mountain biking trips (I live near Denver so have to drive further for dry trails in the winter) and so far, it's been great! Tons of power on tap. I do plan on doing some trail rides once the high country thaws out and can't wait to really put it through it's paces.

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