3.6L E-Torque Offroading and Overlanding Question

[donmontalvo]

When I bought my 2021 JLUR I wasn't sure what eTorque was, or if I had any reason to worry about it. I can tell you that starting from a red light is completely transparent. I love it. 1/2 wheel turn using battery gives me a fair kick.

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[DanW]

Some folk know and some not, but the 2.0 has also been around for many years, but It was not engineered by Jeep. , It's an Alfa Romeo 2.0 motor in a variety euro cars for many years. Some minor differences hanging off it for "jeep" but they are the same engine.

They are both proven good engines.

I said FCA, not Jeep. And when put into the Wrangler, there was a great deal of adaptation and testing, as it would see more severe service than in a Fiat. I don't believe it had E-torque before the Wrangler. If it did, it would have been only a short time before it.

It is not entirely your Aunt Giulia's 2.0.

 

[OSCAR II]

I’ve seen some people say you get extra torque off the line and others said that was false.
In my opinion my jl feels a lot quicker. I don’t know if it’s the 410 gears compared to the 3.73 I had in my jk. I’m running the same size tires but the jk always felt sluggish.

Depending on the year, your JK probably had a 5 speed. The 8 speed and 4.10 gears will make a difference.
I've read a lot of things on the internet and things from Chrysler too. Its not really more torque, its the only torque. Its a higher voltage torque y motor. Its designed to restart and propel the jeep till the engine starts. According to Chrysler its all done by a half turn of the wheel (probably sooner), Then it starts generating. The system is listed as a "mild hybrid".
The engine still has a conventional 12v starter and the 12v battery is the starter battery. The 48v is the restart battery.
I see posts all the time about no more eTorque and thinking there an option for neither, but sadly no. Its one system or the other and I haven't been able to build an automatic without eTorque.
Both systems have there issues, battery placement on either is far from ideal. When the lawn mower battery goes bad every year or less causes havoc with the ECM. I had 2 coworkers last winter that had coolant leaks on the eTorque system. They were constantly bringing them back, that doesn't sound like fun either.

So the only thing I see good about the ESS system is
A bigger more robust starter.
The only thing I see good about the eTorque is
A quieter restart

 

[Jeepnutz]

This could not be more true. A vast majority of the haters are the ones who don’t own it, and most of them haven’t even bothered to learn what it actually is. It’s mainly fear of new technology imo. You will also find that the system is anecdotally very reliable, especially when compared with the regular ESS system. This forum is filled to the brim with all kinds of issues related to ESS and the auxiliary motorcycle battery, but you will be very hard pressed to find any complaints or reports of any issues related to the etorque system, from actual owners, on this forum or others. It’s honestly pretty funny how they always hate on eTorque and complain about its’ reliability when in reality it’s the non-eTorque version that is full of issues, even on brand new Jeeps..

Like most other eTorque owners on this forum, I have had zero issues with my 2021 JLUR with the 3.6etorque since purchasing it fifteen months ago. And as a bonus, if you decide to use ESS, the 48v motor-generator restarts the engine so smoothly that you barely even notice it. It’s literally the smoothest ESS system I’ve experienced. Smoother than even bmw and mBenz ESS systems.

What advantages does the e torque offer for those of us who delete the ESS with a Tazer or similar device?

 

[LooselyHeldPlans]

What advantages does the e torque offer for those of us who delete the ESS with a Tazer or similar device?

A tazer doesn’t delete ESS, just disables auto restart. All the weaknesses of the system are still there.

That being said, I have ESS and it’s SHIT. I’m at 26 months / 28k miles and in my 3rd ESS battery and 2nd Battery control module.

Brand new, eTourque seems to be a ton more reliable and useful… but, I’m worried about its long term (like 10 yr+) reliability. How much is all that stuff going to cost to replace eventually?

The minute my JL is out of warranty, I’ll be rewiring it to remove the little battery and solving these problems once and for all. I can’t do that with an eTourque issue. That’s why I ordered the ESS version on purpose.

 

[Ferhdemerak]

Etorque gives you around 80lb-ft of torque at the beginning of the curve with the added electrical motor. It's a mild hybrid system. Not at all an electrical system like the JL 4xe.
I have it and I love it. Smooth and quiet.
3.6 with etorque, 35" and 4.56 I'm averaging 21mpg

 

[whitechocolate]

I didnt like ESS in my previous Jeeps have always felt shifting was jerky and the first thing i'd do getting in every morning is disable ESS. With etorque shifting is great, you can tell it's got a bit of low end grab and the power is there. I have a JL so perhaps those are more noticeable vs a JLU. YMMV. Also on the hwy driving at 70 i got 23/24mpg. Around town I get 21/22ish

 

[J.Ralston]

So, I ordered a 2022 JLU Rubi XR. The only option with the 8sp automatic Trans is the 3.6 Etorque. It will not let you order it without the etorque in the automatic trans configuration. My Question is... Did I screw up? I am going to heavily modify my Jeep for Overlanding and hitting some pretty difficult trails. I have been trying to find examples or other people that have this engine/drivetrain configuration that has intergrated solar, batteries, etc etc..... Are you just adding a 12v battery somewhere?? Since the Etorque does not have a standard 12v battery. How are you running your solar... How about offroading? Is this etorque engine handling the trails ok ?

I tried every combination of configuration to try to get the Regular 3.6l without etorque and an Automatic 8spd trans. But it wont let you configure it that way.

Hello,

I have a 2021 JLUR that I ordered and had no idea what eTorque was. Personally, I hate it! They added all of this extra weight and technology to save approximately .45 of 1mpg. That’s what the 3% of fuel saving actually equates too.

I made a post a while back about deleting mine and I cover my concerns with it in that thread. It’s actually up to 10 pages now so there are many thoughts and opinions on it. Here Is what I hate.

The old system of a starter, alternator and 1 12 volt battery is easy to fix. Especially on a trail and it’s cheap. All 3 parts are well under $200.00 a piece. Maybe $100.00 to $150.00 tops per part.

The new system still has a starter and 12 volt battery but now has a belt start generator instead of an alternator. An alternator is under $200.00 as mentioned before and can be replaced on a trail. The belt start generator is at least $850.00 or more, is a dealer part only as of now, and would be extremely difficult to replace on a trail. Then the 48 volt battery has its own coolant system and water pump. Those parts are around $650.00 or more, are also dealer parts only, can be done on the trail but with extreme difficulty and while no reports of them having severed coolant lines or broken water pump have been reported yet, there is no way to drive out of a trail if those components do fail because if the 48 volt battery heats up and catches on fire, good luck putting that out. A car with the same battery caught on fire a few months back and the fire department said it took over 10,000 gallons of water to put it out because the battery burns hot and kept reigniting. So you now also greatly increase a forrest fire where you’re off roading at too. Then you come to the 48 volt battery. New it is between $2,500.00 to $3,500.00 and maybe more depending on the dealer. This CANNOT be replaced on a trail, takes special tools and training to replace otherwise if done wrong it can kill you. Literally! And it’s in an area that can take serious rock hits even with a skid plate. Think bullet proof vest when a cop gets shot. The bullet is stopped by the vest but the kinetic energy is not and will often times break ribs, cause internal bleeding etc.. So yes, a skid plate may prevent a boulder from hitting the battery but not the kinetic energy from damaging the battery internally and thus causingwho knows what kind of issues, to include the previously discussed fire. Last, the engine stop/start. I hate it!!!! A Tazer is your best friend here! An engine stopping and starting WILL CAUSE PREMATURE ENGINE WEAR! The oil drains immediately back into the pan or at least begins too and then starts back up shortly thereafter. Sure, maybe the engines still last a long time and most people will only keep the vehicle 3 to 5 years but for those who want to keep them longer and want the most reliability, this feature is stupid! And keep in mind, with all of this stuff Jeep said the V-6 only saves 3% of fuel. Who cares. That’s literally not even .5 of 1mpg on average. Even on a freeway driven vehicle that gets let’s say 20mpg you’re only saving 6/10 of 1mpg.

 

[Crowbar]

I didnt like ESS in my previous Jeeps have always felt shifting was jerky and the first thing i'd do getting in every morning is disable ESS. With etorque shifting is great, you can tell it's got a bit of low end grab and the power is there. I have a JL so perhaps those are more noticeable vs a JLU. YMMV. Also on the hwy driving at 70 i got 23/24mpg. Around town I get 21/22ish

Which engine 3.6 or 2.0?

 

[whitechocolate]

Which engine 3.6 or 2.0?

3.6

 

[Tropikal]

So, I ordered a 2022 JLU Rubi XR. The only option with the 8sp automatic Trans is the 3.6 Etorque. It will not let you order it without the etorque in the automatic trans configuration. My Question is... Did I screw up? I am going to heavily modify my Jeep for Overlanding and hitting some pretty difficult trails. I have been trying to find examples or other people that have this engine/drivetrain configuration that has intergrated solar, batteries, etc etc..... Are you just adding a 12v battery somewhere?? Since the Etorque does not have a standard 12v battery. How are you running your solar... How about offroading? Is this etorque engine handling the trails ok ?

I tried every combination of configuration to try to get the Regular 3.6l without etorque and an Automatic 8spd trans. But it wont let you configure it that way.

Hello, we ordered a JLRXR with the 3.6 with eTorque. I'm trying to find out any info on how this system behaves for overlanding, (refrigerators and other parasitic drains on the 12V battery) Does it keep the 12V top off? Only charges the 12V when engine is running only? any details you may have will be appreciated.

Happy Jeeping!

 

[DanW]

100% reliable for my ex-wife, so far. No issues. She hasn't gone off-road, but she's not easy on cars. LOTS of stop and go driving and short trips. And she doesn't think a thing about maintenance. Hers is a 2021.

 

[azjl#3]

hate to drag up an older thread, but have not located any info on how long the 48v battery is projected to last? Anyone?

I have the 2dr eTq, not really impressed but my place is not usual. Mostly highway driving, steep hills, mountains. No real opportunity for etq to regain some mpg. I notice no off the line improvement with ESS, in fact I wish someone would hack the system and make the ESS button off default, unless I select it on.

 

[Dlit]

So, I ordered a 2022 JLU Rubi XR. The only option with the 8sp automatic Trans is the 3.6 Etorque. It will not let you order it without the etorque in the automatic trans configuration. My Question is... Did I screw up? I am going to heavily modify my Jeep for Overlanding and hitting some pretty difficult trails. I have been trying to find examples or other people that have this engine/drivetrain configuration that has intergrated solar, batteries, etc etc..... Are you just adding a 12v battery somewhere?? Since the Etorque does not have a standard 12v battery. How are you running your solar... How about offroading? Is this etorque engine handling the trails ok ?

I tried every combination of configuration to try to get the Regular 3.6l without etorque and an Automatic 8spd trans. But it wont let you configure it that way.

Etorque has been great for me

 

[Tncdrew]

Etorque has been fine in my '22, although I'd MUCH prefer not having the complexity, and a lithium ion battery under my floor. Unfortunately, at the time, it was the only way a 6cyl/auto came...
Now it seems for '24 they're gone, D'OH! ?

A Tazer JL Mini (amongst many other features) will default the Start/Stop to always OFF.... so, there's that option.

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