2025 4XE

[JesseT]

People have been conditioned to accept mediocre to poor results on these 4xE models AND pay a much higher price on top of it. Let’s not even talk about the high likelihood of these present 4xE’s becoming technically obsolete long before their useful life has ended. Stellantis, at the encouragement of the federal government, is putting it to us while we say “please, can I have some more?”

I don’t have anything electric (outside of eTorque which barely counts) but I like the gas/electric propulsion very much. But not these ridiculously low ranges coupled with a gas engine that doesn’t even recharge the battery.

These vehicles are super priced short range in town commuters tied to an in home or at work charging system to even make them viable at being a hybrid. If a 4xE Jeep is used as intended the electric motor by itself would only be used for a fraction of time while adding substantial weight and complexity all the time. The extra boost the rest of the time helps but does not overcome its somewhat lack of viability as a touted phev.

If people buy these with that knowledge and understanding then that’s awesome. They are still great vehicles, they need to have the Xtreme Recon package available however.

I really can't grasp what your basis of comparison is. If they were able to get the battery-only range of the 4xe up to 40 miles that would put it as one of the very highest electric ranges of any plug-in hybrid available.

Edit to add a reference: https://www.kbb.com/car-advice/plug-in-hybrid-cars-range-chart/

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[Steemax]

40 mile range would be ground breaking for a PHEV that is as un-aerodynamic and heavy as the 4XE. I'm not so sure Stellantis is known for industry leading innovations.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Without the 4xe the gas

40 mile range would be ground breaking for a PHEV that is as un-aerodynamic and heavy as the 4XE. I'm not so sure Stellantis is known for industry leading innovations.

Some can argue that the 4xe itself is an example of Stellantis industry leading innovations, since the 4xe handily outsell any other PHEV in the US by a huge margin, Stellantis has obviously done something right. A PHEV also makes a lot of sense, than a BEV Wrangler, even though I would prefer a BEV Wrangler.

The 4xe also brings the whole Wrangler line into compliance with the EPA fuel economy mandates, so the gas guzzling Wrangler people should think twice about looking at the gift horse in the mouth.

For the most part the Wrangler 4xe doesn't really get much complaints from owners, the vast majority of complaints come from people that don't have one, or are pissed it doesn't suit them, and make up nonsense to discredit the 4xe.

 

[NJ_JL 2020]

40 mile range, yeah too heavy and the tires are also not optimized. I bet it will be similar range.

 

[alphawolff]

40 mile range would be ground breaking for a PHEV that is as un-aerodynamic and heavy as the 4XE. I'm not so sure Stellantis is known for industry leading innovations.

They're known for industry leading recall count, that's for sure.

 

[RubiX4xe]

Without the 4xe the gas


Some can argue that the 4xe itself is an example of Stellantis industry leading innovations, since the 4xe handily outsell any other PHEV in the US by a huge margin, Stellantis has obviously done something right. A PHEV also makes a lot of sense, than a BEV Wrangler, even though I would prefer a BEV Wrangler.

The 4xe also brings the whole Wrangler line into compliance with the EPA fuel economy mandates, so the gas guzzling Wrangler people should think twice about looking at the gift horse in the mouth.

For the most part the Wrangler 4xe doesn't really get much complaints from owners, the vast majority of complaints come from people that don't have one, or are pissed it doesn't suit them, and make up nonsense to discredit the 4xe.

Absolutely. Almost every complaint I see on multiple boards are by those that don't own one.

Even with the 25 mile range, I drive like 60% of my miles on electric only. It's a great machine.

 

[TBULL52]

People have been conditioned to accept mediocre to poor results on these 4xE models AND pay a much higher price on top of it. Let’s not even talk about the high likelihood of these present 4xE’s becoming technically obsolete long before their useful life has ended. Stellantis, at the encouragement of the federal government, is putting it to us while we say “please, can I have some more?”

I don’t have anything electric (outside of eTorque which barely counts) but I like the gas/electric propulsion very much. But not these ridiculously low ranges coupled with a gas engine that doesn’t even recharge the battery.

These vehicles are super priced short range in town commuters tied to an in home or at work charging system to even make them viable at being a hybrid. If a 4xE Jeep is used as intended the electric motor by itself would only be used for a fraction of time while adding substantial weight and complexity all the time. The extra boost the rest of the time helps but does not overcome its somewhat lack of viability as a touted phev.

If people buy these with that knowledge and understanding then that’s awesome. They are still great vehicles, they need to have the Xtreme Recon package available however.

I'm not sure I follow most of what you are saying here (I am a little slow sometimes lol) but as an owner of both a 2018 JLUR with the 3.6 and a 2021 JLUR 4Xe Rubicon I can tell you I do not believe your points are correct. The most important part is the the use of the 4Xe battery is ALWAYS available, the computer does not let the battery get below a 15% charge so even when it is telling the driver that the battery has less the 1% that indicator is for electric only. The gas motor and the braking system does in fact charge the vehicle. When in hybrid mode you will always have access to the 100 more HP and the 100lbs more of torque. This alone makes the 4Xe way more capable and way more fun to drive. With that said if a buyer is uninformed and thinks that this is a full electric vehicle and they only ever just want to use the battery this most certainly is not the vehicle for them.

I do have a level 2 charger at my house, my daily commute is 15 miles each way so my all electric range is gone by the time I'm half way home. At this point I still have access to the HP and torque but my gas mileage does suffer some. As a comparison, my 2018 JLUR with a 21 gallon tank would get me a range of just over 300 miles. My 2021 JLUR 4Xe with a 17 gallon tank often gets me close to a 700 mile range. That range will go down considerably if I am taking long trips and not able to recharge but it will still outperform the 3.6.

When I bought the 4Xe, the cost difference in the 4Xe Rubicon and the regular Rubicon was mostly negated with the $7500 tax rebate. To be honest even without the rebate the superior performance and enjoyment from driving the 4Xe would be worth increased cost.

 

[C.Sco]

40 mile range would be ground breaking for a PHEV that is as un-aerodynamic and heavy as the 4XE. I'm not so sure Stellantis is known for industry leading innovations.

Yeah the problem is that the 4xe only has an efficiency of 1.21 miles/kwh. That's really bad. And there's not really anything anyone can do about it, it's a result of it's size, weight, shape, and heavy duty 4x4 drivetrain. We're simply never going to get anywhere near the 3 miles/kwh that most other PHEV and BEV vehicles get.

For reference, the current Prius Prime gets 44 miles of EV range on a 13.6 kwh battery (an efficiency of 3.23 miles/kwh).

For the 4xe to get 40 miles of battery range, it would need at least a 33 kwh battery pack. Which is massive. And for any trip longer than 40 miles, after it's empty that's a huge amount of dead weight to be carrying around with you everywhere. The current 4xe battery is already almost too much dead weight as it is.

 

[Bill_BCNtoNY]

Yeah the problem is that the 4xe only has an efficiency of 1.21 miles/kwh. That's really bad. And there's not really anything anyone can do about it, it's a result of it's size, weight, shape, and heavy duty 4x4 drivetrain. We're simply never going to get anywhere near the 3 miles/kwh that most other PHEV and BEV vehicles get.

For reference, the current Prius Prime gets 44 miles of EV range on a 13.6 kwh battery (an efficiency of 3.23 miles/kwh).

For the 4xe to get 40 miles of battery range, it would need at least a 33 kwh battery pack. Which is massive. And for any trip longer than 40 miles, after it's empty that's a huge amount of dead weight to be carrying around with you everywhere. The current 4xe battery is already almost too much dead weight as it is.

This is very interesting data - thanks! I had a 4xe Rubi (tragic lemon) that I replaced with a 3.6 and a small BEV for local driving that gets 4.1mi/kwh... it's a sensible mood-killer haha

does anyone know when battery tech will improve enough to roughly 2x capacity keeping everything else equal (same size, weight, cost, durability, reliability, etc.). I'd assume only then is when we could expect to get a 40mi PHEV Wrangler.

 

[Steemax]

Yeah the problem is that the 4xe only has an efficiency of 1.21 miles/kwh. That's really bad. And there's not really anything anyone can do about it, it's a result of it's size, weight, shape, and heavy duty 4x4 drivetrain. We're simply never going to get anywhere near the 3 miles/kwh that most other PHEV and BEV vehicles get.

For reference, the current Prius Prime gets 44 miles of EV range on a 13.6 kwh battery (an efficiency of 3.23 miles/kwh).

For the 4xe to get 40 miles of battery range, it would need at least a 33 kwh battery pack. Which is massive. And for any trip longer than 40 miles, after it's empty that's a huge amount of dead weight to be carrying around with you everywhere. The current 4xe battery is already almost too much dead weight as it is.

Perfect explanation. It's just not feasible. What's more than likely going to happen is the 4xe will get a rear floating axle and same intricacies as what the new 4xe Gladiator hybrid system design will be so that tooling will be the same across the 4xe platform to keep cost down.

This is very interesting data - thanks! I had a 4xe Rubi (tragic lemon) that I replaced with a 3.6 and a small BEV for local driving that gets 4.1mi/kwh... it's a sensible mood-killer haha

does anyone know when battery tech will improve enough to roughly 2x capacity keeping everything else equal (same size, weight, cost, durability, reliability, etc.). I'd assume only then is when we could expect to get a 40mi PHEV Wrangler.

I see the year 2030 thrown around but I really don't anticipate Jeep will be in the forefront of adopting that tech. You'll likely see it in full EV vehicles first.

 

[alphawolff]

This is very interesting data - thanks! I had a 4xe Rubi (tragic lemon) that I replaced with a 3.6 and a small BEV for local driving that gets 4.1mi/kwh... it's a sensible mood-killer haha

does anyone know when battery tech will improve enough to roughly 2x capacity keeping everything else equal (same size, weight, cost, durability, reliability, etc.). I'd assume only then is when we could expect to get a 40mi PHEV Wrangler.

The current battery technology is completely incompatible with the normal American idea for a vehicle. It's being forced because it kinda sorta works, and is "decent enough" to put into a production model.

In reality the battery pack is incredibly unstable. It doesn't like the cold, it doesn't like the heat, it doesn't like being drained fully, and it doesn't like being fully charged. To top it off if it does explode it takes an incredible amount of effort to put it out.

We need something other than lithium for battery packs. They're working on the technology, and personally I would never buy a BEV/PHEV until that technology is out. A normal hybrid like the Prius has a small enough battery pack to where the downsides of lithium just aren't a real factor, so by all means they are perfectly fine to keep mass producing. Toyota is at the forefront of this argument. PHEVs/BEVs are just impractical at current technology levels for any levels of mass transportation. The battery just isn't dense enough so you need to make it absolutely massive to make a production vehicle have any decent amount of range. The cybertruck gets like 100 miles of range if you're using it as a truck and towing something.

Do they work? Sure. Are they an environmental disaster kept alive with significant amount of additional systems? You betcha. The only full BEVs that should be on the market are small city designed cars that don't need a range larger then like 70 miles.

Just because you throw an insane amount of money at a problem to get it on the road in a decent shape doesn't mean you should, regardless of how many "feel good" points you think you get. The constant recalls for the 4XE and Pacifica's battery exploding should be a wake up call but here we are

 

[C.Sco]

does anyone know when battery tech will improve enough to roughly 2x capacity keeping everything else equal (same size, weight, cost, durability, reliability, etc.). I'd assume only then is when we could expect to get a 40mi PHEV Wrangler.

The thing is, when that day comes, when battery tech allows for double the energy density we have today, and we get 40 mile batteries, every other PHEV will have 100 mile batteries so people will still be complaining

 

[BXFXJeep]

Right now Mitsubishi Outlander have 40 mile range, fast charging, is a lot cheaper, better quality than the Wrangler 4xe but no one wants the Mitsubishi, what Mitsubishi sells in one whole year Jeep sells that number of Wrangler 4xe in less than a month, everything the Mitsubishi have, are things people critical of the 4xe are saying the 4xe should have, which just goes to show they are full of .

For how bad the 4xe is, Jeep outsells handily outsell all the other PHEVs on the market.

Stellantis accounts for 50% of the US PHEV market, and according to some people the 4xe is the worst PHEV on the market, go figure.

Jeep ICE vehicles are similarly piling up on lots, Wranglers, RAMs, Grand Cherokee, Stellantis is obviously building way more than the demand especially when these things are so expensive, interest rate is high, also people rarely tend to flip Wranglers, buy, build, keep, newer Wranglers don't have anything most people want to give them a reason to keep flipping to a new one every couple of years.

Stellantis should stop filling up lots, and just build custom orders people have been waiting months for.

This is a simple case of supply and demand 101.

 

[bobzdar]

They just refreshed it in '24, don't think they do anything materially different this soon. They might update the trans to the new version from zf with integrated control electronics, but that would just create a little less clutter underneath where they currently have them and maybe save 50lbs.

 

[2nd 392]

This is very interesting data - thanks! I had a 4xe Rubi (tragic lemon) that I replaced with a 3.6 and a small BEV for local driving that gets 4.1mi/kwh... it's a sensible mood-killer haha

does anyone know when battery tech will improve enough to roughly 2x capacity keeping everything else equal (same size, weight, cost, durability, reliability, etc.). I'd assume only then is when we could expect to get a 40mi PHEV Wrangler.

Per Toyota announcement, high performance Solid State battery production ~2030. Limited production prior to full production (Lexus/high end ) the numbers were excellent for range, charge time, and weight, but not remembered.
Toyota spokesman displayed an electrolyte sample unwisely in a bottle shaped like a butt plug that the press obsessed on.

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