2025 4XE

[INCRHULK]

We may see the the current battery pack replaced by better chemistry and solid state batteries. Either slightly better range or less volume for similar range. Solid state batteries are in production now, or very close to production, depending on the battery manufacturer.

Stellantis has been betting a lot of their electrification on solid state. It’s got better density, safer, and are lighter per KWh.

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[SleepEatJeepRepeat]

If I drove a prius I would shoot myself in the dick, that's why I drive a jeep.. Why does anyone think this should be comparable to a prius... They are two totaly different customers and use cases. I hate hot yoga but I don't complain that the wight room at the gym isn't 80% hot chicks in Lululemons. I have had 3 wranglers and am about to order my fourth, my last one was a v6 with 37s and a lift. I got 11 miles per gallon, it was awesome... But being able to watch the gas needle activly drop as I drove down the road on my way to an 80 -100 tank of gas that lasted maybe 289 miles was brutal... The idea that I can drive this to and from work and get like 49mpge plus all the fun of a jeep is like a miracle of science.. So I am giving the 4xe a shot.. If it has issues and is in the shop I will lemon law it.. Lets go!!

 

[TrailMax]

If I drove a prius I would shoot myself in the dick, that's why I drive a jeep.. Why does anyone think this should be comparable to a prius... They are two totaly different customers and use cases. I hate hot yoga but I don't complain that the wight room at the gym isn't 80% hot chicks in Lululemons. I have had 3 wranglers and am about to order my fourth, my last one was a v6 with 37s and a lift. I got 11 miles per gallon, it was awesome... But being able to watch the gas needle activly drop as I drove down the road on my way to an 80 -100 tank of gas that lasted maybe 289 miles was brutal... The idea that I can drive this to and from work and get like 49mpge plus all the fun of a jeep is like a miracle of science.. So I am giving the 4xe a shot.. If it has issues and is in the shop I will lemon law it.. Lets go!!

Yep. Reading some of these posts has me thinking the 392 must be a really shitty vehicle . . . it doesn't get anywhere near the gas mileage of a Honda Accord.

 

[GinaC]

I'll tell you what, I'm going to be slightly peeved if they release a 2 door model of the Wrangler 4xe because I totally would have gotten that instead of ordering the 2024.

But even if they do, at least I got the Tuscadero paint, so... not *too* peeved. Also my dogs will have a dedicated seat to themselves.

 

[rforbes]

Perfect explanation. It's just not feasible. What's more than likely going to happen is the 4xe will get a rear floating axle and same intricacies as what the new 4xe Gladiator hybrid system design will be so that tooling will be the same across the 4xe platform to keep cost down.

one minor point, the 2024 Rubicon 4xe already has the full float rear axle.


I see the year 2030 thrown around but I really don't anticipate Jeep will be in the forefront of adopting that tech. You'll likely see it in full EV vehicles first.

 

[rforbes]

I'll tell you what, I'm going to be slightly peeved if they release a 2 door model of the Wrangler 4xe because I totally would have gotten that instead of ordering the 2024.

But even if they do, at least I got the Tuscadero paint, so... not *too* peeved. Also my dogs will have a dedicated seat to themselves.

I am pretty sure it wouldn't fit.

 

[rforbes]

The current battery technology is completely incompatible with the normal American idea for a vehicle. It's being forced because it kinda sorta works, and is "decent enough" to put into a production model.

In reality the battery pack is incredibly unstable. It doesn't like the cold, it doesn't like the heat, it doesn't like being drained fully, and it doesn't like being fully charged. To top it off if it does explode it takes an incredible amount of effort to put it out.

We need something other than lithium for battery packs. They're working on the technology, and personally I would never buy a BEV/PHEV until that technology is out. A normal hybrid like the Prius has a small enough battery pack to where the downsides of lithium just aren't a real factor, so by all means they are perfectly fine to keep mass producing. Toyota is at the forefront of this argument. PHEVs/BEVs are just impractical at current technology levels for any levels of mass transportation. The battery just isn't dense enough so you need to make it absolutely massive to make a production vehicle have any decent amount of range. The cybertruck gets like 100 miles of range if you're using it as a truck and towing something.

Do they work? Sure. Are they an environmental disaster kept alive with significant amount of additional systems? You betcha. The only full BEVs that should be on the market are small city designed cars that don't need a range larger then like 70 miles.

Just because you throw an insane amount of money at a problem to get it on the road in a decent shape doesn't mean you should, regardless of how many "feel good" points you think you get. The constant recalls for the 4XE and Pacifica's battery exploding should be a wake up call but here we are

I get what you are saying, but I think it is a bit harsh. These issues brought up are real but maybe I don't seem them as dramatically negative as you do. Innovation always happens as a process and having these kinds of things are all part of the process.

 

[alphawolff]

I get what you are saying, but I think it is a bit harsh. These issues brought up are real but maybe I don't seem them as dramatically negative as you do. Innovation always happens as a process and having these kinds of things are all part of the process.

The issue is while innovation is good, it cannot be forced onto the broad public. Forcing a bunch of states to only sell 4XEs was always a recipe for disaster. It's a beta technology as far as Stellantis is considered and it shows with their product quality. Trying to make a nearly 3 ton brick of wheels "environmentally friendly" is disingenuous at best

 

[TheBirdie72]

Since we are here talking about imaginary vehicles, I’ll take one two door 4xe with XR package and removable gull wing doors please? Just because. And - Preferably in sting gray… thanks

 

[rforbes]

The issue is while innovation is good, it cannot be forced onto the broad public. Forcing a bunch of states to only sell 4XEs was always a recipe for disaster. It's a beta technology as far as Stellantis is considered and it shows with their product quality. Trying to make a nearly 3 ton brick of wheels "environmentally friendly" is disingenuous at best

I mean, innovation is forced on us all the time. Some by the government (e.g. emissions, seat belts), some by the manufacturers for cost (e.g. electric power steering), or from the manufacturer so they can make more money (e.g. mass data collection). And you are quite able to buy non 4xes in those states, just a bit harder than finding 4xes.

As far as beta/not beta. It's easy to point fingers at the recalls but at this point Jeep is still behind Ford, Chevy, and even Toyota with the number of recalls.

I would agree that the use cases for making the Jeep environmentally friendly is pretty narrow, but it does exist. If you sit around the 4xe forums enough you will see all the people who make it a game on how much they can drive on just electric mode. My use case, for instance, is just using battery for like 80% of my around town driving and then drives for camping (overlanding, off-roading, trail running, whatever you want to call it) where I get abysmal mileage.

Anyway, my impression is that most people who get 4xes are happy with them.

 

[graytag]

Anyway, my impression is that most people who get 4xes are happy with them.

I'm definitely in that camp. Minus the recalls, my issues have been Wrangler related- Gorilla Glass, Leaking Shocks, Steering Dampener vs anything 4Xe-specific. I will say the Jeep was booted to the driveway and I've had to use a Level 1 charger and that plus the limited range is annoying and something I never "felt" when I had the garage and Level 2 access. My avg combined MPG has dropped from ~38 to 31. Still not bad but not as great.

 

[Chubba]

I'm getting 800 miles to the tank. I only start burning gas when the computer kicks the ICE in so the fuel doesn't go stale. Great acceleration, climbs like a billy goat, on 32-inch tires. As much as the new offerings intrigue me, (Ranger Raptor, Tacoma Trailhunter) I can't escape the fact that this is the most capable vehicle and the most economical vehicle I've ever owned.

Had to ask: when you say you're getting 800 miles to the tank, is this a typo or what do you mean? It's impossible to go anywhere near this far on one tank of gas plus one full charge.

 

[Lee Woiteshek]

It's one tank of gas. I try to fill at the half tank, but sometimes I get down to a quarter. But it's many charges over three months. I don't drive much, my Oct/21 build has just turned over 10.5K miles. Most of my driving is within 25 miles, and in the Hybrid mode, it usually runs the battery to zero. So If I have a 30-mile run, I'll just burn 5 miles worth of gas, and plug it into my Level 2 charger at home. It will recharge the battery to 25 miles. Next time maybe it's a five-mile run to the grocery store, and no gas is burned and I plug it back in. The battery is recharged for 25 miles. In my Jeep the battery is used first unless there's a heavy demand on the drivetrain. And when that demand is over with, it goes back to battery until depletion. At around the 90-day mark, the computer makes the engine run so the gas does not get stale. That's when I burn the most fuel. The electric bill on my home isn't noticeable. I don't take it out of hybrid much unless I need to 4 wheel someplace quiet and then I use the gas only. I've never used the electric-only button. I don't even know if it works. There's a guy on Youtube who does electric only on his Sahara and he gets a thousand miles to a tank. I guess I get 600 miles of mileage per tank from the battery, and burn maybe 150 miles worth of gas. My trips are short. My last tank was 793 miles. However, these past couple of days I've had to do some interstate driving for several hundred miles, and I'd guess I'm getting 25ish mpg. This refill will not be a 800 mile tank. But my usual one is.

 

[Chubba]

Gotcha. Yeah it's odd to say "getting 800 miles to the tank" as it's really getting 800 miles of charging plus the tank of gas.

Was doing about the same or more with my 2021 as >90% of the driving was less than 20 miles. So it was using battery power for most of its life - until the recall hit last Nov (FORM was another issue as well as failing cooling/heating elements that stopped battery use).

 

[Lee Woiteshek]

Gotcha. Yeah it's odd to say "getting 800 miles to the tank" as it's really getting 800 miles of charging plus the tank of gas.

Was doing about the same or more with my 2021 as >90% of the driving was less than 20 miles. So it was using battery power for most of its life - until the recall hit last Nov.

I couldn't use the hybrid for three months. Then the shop had it for a week. There should have been some sort of compensation for that, instead of business as usual.

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