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Hey folks,

About two weeks ago, I was pulling out from an intersection onto a wet road. The tires spun and my RPMs shot up higher than I've hit before - I don't recall the exact reading - and the engine started making this loud, clicking noise. I pulled over, checked under the hood but couldn't find anything obvious, so I drove it home slowly to the garage across the street from my home (not a CDJR Service Center). The mechanic pulled out the dipstick and... bone dry. I left it there for a quick diagnosis and they said there was less than a quart of oil in the engine, but they didn't want to do anything because it's still under warranty. They state no signs of any leak.

I've been having this Jeep serviced by the same dealer I bought it from brand-new. It has just under 37,000 miles on it. It was due for a change, though the dash reading they reset on each change was showing 25% life left. I'm not too far past the "Next Service Date" or mileage (<1k miles). The mechanics at the garage claim they've seen cars from dealers in my area where they claim to be changing the oil, but never actually do anything. I've also spoken to several others who say there's no reason a car should be that low on oil, given what I've described, unless there's a leak. They're speculating that the engine issue itself might be the pusher.

Unfortunately, the folks at the garage where I took it ended up doing a full oil change. I almost wish they hadn't, but I didn't realize they were going to do it to say otherwise. I had it towed to a different CDJR which is closer to my home, where it's been for two weeks. I had an appointment for them to look at it today, but now that's been pushed to tomorrow. I suspect that doesn't say anything good about when it'll be on the road again if they're that slammed to even make a diagnosis. They won't offer a rental or loaner until they can diagnose and confirm the issue is covered under the warranty.

I have a few questions:
  1. What are your thoughts on the amount of oil? Is there any legitimacy to what folks are saying: the dealership might have been negligent here? I've never noticed any oil under the car after driving at any point in time.
  2. I'm concerned about warranty. It's really hard to say what the engine issue itself could be, but does anyone know if certain engine issues aren't covered? I know this is in some kind of warranty, based on what the folks at the new dealer told me.
  3. If it's not covered by warranty, do I have any means for proving the dealer wasn't doing a proper oil change, and thus, getting Jeep to cover the costs? I have all service records, and assuming what I've been told about how insane the oil consumption would be to get me to where I was without a leak, a reasonable person could conclude I'm not at fault here.
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There is only one way to know for sure, drive it and monitor oil cnsumption.
The shop would have been negligent in not changing the oil.
If the engine is eating oil, that's a warranty problem.
If the dealer messed it up, it's an insurance claim.
 
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Apparently the issue is related to the overheating clutch plate recall, for which there's currently no fix (aside from replacing with the same factory parts which have the fault). I don't think this is related to the oil, unless the lack of oil made it easier for it to overheat? They found three holes in the transmission, but also said they couldn't hear the clicking noise when they turned it on today.

They did get a chance to hear the noise when I originally dropped it off, so I'm not worried about them ignoring it, but they claimed to have done some kind of safety inspection to ensure everything else looks fine.
 

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Apparently the issue is related to the overheating clutch plate recall, for which there's currently no fix (aside from replacing with the same factory parts which have the fault). I don't think this is related to the oil, unless the lack of oil made it easier for it to overheat? They found three holes in the transmission, but also said they couldn't hear the clicking noise when they turned it on today.

They did get a chance to hear the noise when I originally dropped it off, so I'm not worried about them ignoring it, but they claimed to have done some kind of safety inspection to ensure everything else looks fine.
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My man, those four quarts of oil had to go somewhere. They either leaked out (which you would have noticed) or they burned off (which you would have noticed) or…. they were never there in the first place.

TBH, it sounds like someone drained the oil, didn’t change the filter, and then never replaced the drained oil. Hence, you were left with whatever was in there after the drain + trapped in the filter.

As the above poster said, you are (unfortunately) in for a ride.
 

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Awesome. Can you elaborate?
The clutch isn’t covered by warranty. Damages caused by a non warranty failure is not covered by warranty.
Given the most recent recall they might have changed their tune, but most people get a 7,000 dollar bill or worse when this happens.

The engine oil is completely unrelated, and if it is true, your engine is undoubtedly damaged.
 

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Just about every vehicle on the road today burns a quart of oil per 1-2000 miles, and never smokes. The 3.6 is really an exceptional motor when it comes to oil consumption and most never lose any noticeable amount of oil. With some other internal failure you could easily burn 4 quarts and never know. The only way to tell is by doing a proper oil consumption test.
 
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The good (?) news is that the transmission issues are covered because of the recall; they told me what they found directly matches the recall description, so it sounds like I'm not on the hook for anything. Or, maybe I'm in for a nasty surprise when the dealer calls back about the timeline for repairs. They're covering a rental in the meantime.

As far as engine damage done to the lack of oil... I have no idea what to do there. I'm not sure I can really prove anything. It sounds like this is just something else which will be a nasty surprise at some point down the road? Unless anyone has successfully held a dealer accountable for this kind of thing and gotten something out of it. I don't even know what that would look like.

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The good (?) news is that the transmission issues are covered because of the recall; they told me what they found directly matches the recall description, so it sounds like I'm not on the hook for anything. Or, maybe I'm in for a nasty surprise when the dealer calls back about the timeline for repairs. They're covering a rental in the meantime.

As far as engine damage done to the lack of oil... I have no idea what to do there. I'm not sure I can really prove anything. It sounds like this is just something else which will be a nasty surprise at some point down the road? Unless anyone has successfully held a dealer accountable for this kind of thing and gotten something out of it. I don't even know what that would look like.

Thanks for the replies, folks.
Sounds like your dealer is a pretty decent group of folks. I’d be getting a centerforce or other aftermarket clutch if I were you, given the potential wait time you’re about to be stuck with.
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