2 DOOR JL build/order discussions master thread

[Jax2578]

@3uPh0riK

I got weirdness from Jeep Cares too. Just contact your dealer, he/she has the most updated information regarding your build.

Original Build Date 4/21 -> New Build Date 5/10

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[IMBlu]

We’ve all read the conflicting information on the status of 2dr production that we’re getting from FCA, dealers, and acquaintances of acquaintances that supposedly know something. As a refreshing alternative, many on this thread have recently become aware of a poster on Reddit under the name Drillionaire. For the first time, I think we have access to a source with demonstrated knowledge of 2dr production status and a high degree of reliability. I’ve been fascinated by digging into his comments over the last couple of weeks and thought I would post my take on what I think you can conclude about the 2dr situation with a high degree of certainty.

First, the background on Drillionaire. He’s stated that he’s a manager within the Toledo North Plant that houses the JL line. I’ve found confirmation on the web, but to protect his privacy, I’m not going to link to it. He has an open comment on the Jeep Reddit where he is offering to provide any JL customer with the status of their order. He’s answered around 100 requests over the past two weeks where he can confirm D1 status, and for those orders, tell you what number you are in line before framing starts on your build and how much time that is anticipated to take. He can also tell you if there have been issues with your build that have caused delays and how they’re being addressed. No one has ever come back to say the information he has provided was wrong so there is near conclusive evidence that he is legitimate.

So what has Drillionaire told us about 2dr production?

1. It started on April 9, 2018.
2. As of April 20, 2018, production has been very low at around 4-5 vehicles a day. To put this in perspective, current JL production is around 900 vehicles per day. Historically, 2dr builds represent around 20% of all Wrangler production so that they need to be close to 200 2drs per day to meet demand not including the 4 month backlog of unfulfilled orders.
3. As of April 23, 2018, 2dr production has risen to 3% of JL builds, or 27 vehicles per day.
4. Delays in introduction of 2drs and the current low production rate are because suppliers are strained having to produce parts for two different lines (JK and JL), something they’ve never had to do before.
5. JK production ends on April 27, 2018 and it is anticipated that will allow the ramp up on 2drs to build quickly the following weeks.
6. There is an indefinite hold on releasing 2drs built to date until they’ve manufactured enough with no issues. Given the current low rate of production, that could take some time.
7. Only hard tops have been built to date with non premium soft tops slated to start around May 1, 2018 and premium versions targeted for May 15, 2018.
8. The delay on premium soft tops is not due to inability to supply but rather that engineering is not complete on water proofing.
9. Sting Grey and Mojito orders with body coloured tops have yet to be built due to paint mismatch on plastic vs metal. Sting Grey orders with black hard tops are in production but nothing yet for Mojito.
10. Anticipated arrivals for dealer ordered 2drs (as opposed to customer orders) was estimated to be around the first week of May back when production started on April 9. Given that they’ve yet to ramp of production beyond 27 vehicles per day, I would suggest that is no longer operative.

Rumours that can be dispelled:

1. There has been no halt in 2dr production since it started on April 9, 2018.
2. The rumour posted on this site that the first 2drs will not be available until October 2018 is false.
3. There’s no evidence of an ongoing quality issue with 2drs that is preventing its release.
4. There has been no parts hold for LED or steel bumper orders.

Ever since Drillionaire’s offer to give status updates has become more widely known, he’s getting hammered with requests. If you do want to pursue this, I would suggest making one request, and if given a target date, only ask for a follow-up if that date does not appear to have been met. A slew of daily status update requests could easily result in the end of his service. If you do use it, I would suggest you consider “giving gold” which is a Reddit mechanism to provide a degree of compensation for his efforts.

Thank you. This is so encouraging. I will just wait, but please post any additional updates you may have along the way.

 

[blueshirtz11]

According to Drillionaire, my 2 door Rubicon was released by the plant yesterday and is on its way to the dealer

 

[jlopes68]

http://www.autonews.com/article/20180424/BLOG06/180429898/a-farewell-toast-to-the-jeep-jk-wrangler

 

[IMBlu]

Ha! Went back to page one... January nostalgia... honestly, only the tough survive. I know we are all hoping we will see a few 2 doors in able hands in the wild over the next week or two. As I said before, I’m telling myself by Christmas, sooner, better. It may sound crazy, but maybe not so much if you look at our early posts.

 

[LUDACRIS]

Well as of today my 4 door is also along side my 2 door order in D status, lets see which moves 1st.

 

[alltimesaresoon]

We’ve all read the conflicting information on the status of 2dr production that we’re getting from FCA, dealers, and acquaintances of acquaintances that supposedly know something. As a refreshing alternative, many on this thread have recently become aware of a poster on Reddit under the name Drillionaire. For the first time, I think we have access to a source with demonstrated knowledge of 2dr production status and a high degree of reliability. I’ve been fascinated by digging into his comments over the last couple of weeks and thought I would post my take on what I think you can conclude about the 2dr situation with a high degree of certainty.

First, the background on Drillionaire. He’s stated that he’s a manager within the Toledo North Plant that houses the JL line. I’ve found confirmation on the web, but to protect his privacy, I’m not going to link to it. He has an open comment on the Jeep Reddit where he is offering to provide any JL customer with the status of their order. He’s answered around 100 requests over the past two weeks where he can confirm D1 status, and for those orders, tell you what number you are in line before framing starts on your build and how much time that is anticipated to take. He can also tell you if there have been issues with your build that have caused delays and how they’re being addressed. No one has ever come back to say the information he has provided was wrong so there is near conclusive evidence that he is legitimate.

So what has Drillionaire told us about 2dr production?

1. It started on April 9, 2018.
2. As of April 20, 2018, production has been very low at around 4-5 vehicles a day. To put this in perspective, current JL production is around 900 vehicles per day. Historically, 2dr builds represent around 20% of all Wrangler production so that they need to be close to 200 2drs per day to meet demand not including the 4 month backlog of unfulfilled orders.
3. As of April 23, 2018, 2dr production has risen to 3% of JL builds, or 27 vehicles per day.
4. Delays in introduction of 2drs and the current low production rate are because suppliers are strained having to produce parts for two different lines (JK and JL), something they’ve never had to do before.
5. JK production ends on April 27, 2018 and it is anticipated that will allow the ramp up on 2drs to build quickly the following weeks.
6. There is an indefinite hold on releasing 2drs built to date until they’ve manufactured enough with no issues. Given the current low rate of production, that could take some time.
7. Only hard tops have been built to date with non premium soft tops slated to start around May 1, 2018 and premium versions targeted for May 15, 2018.
8. The delay on premium soft tops is not due to inability to supply but rather that engineering is not complete on water proofing.
9. Sting Grey and Mojito orders with body coloured tops have yet to be built due to paint mismatch on plastic vs metal. Sting Grey orders with black hard tops are in production but nothing yet for Mojito.
10. Anticipated arrivals for dealer ordered 2drs (as opposed to customer orders) was estimated to be around the first week of May back when production started on April 9. Given that they’ve yet to ramp of production beyond 27 vehicles per day, I would suggest that is no longer operative.

Rumours that can be dispelled:

1. There has been no halt in 2dr production since it started on April 9, 2018.
2. The rumour posted on this site that the first 2drs will not be available until October 2018 is false.
3. There’s no evidence of an ongoing quality issue with 2drs that is preventing its release.
4. There has been no parts hold for LED or steel bumper orders.

Ever since Drillionaire’s offer to give status updates has become more widely known, he’s getting hammered with requests. If you do want to pursue this, I would suggest making one request, and if given a target date, only ask for a follow-up if that date does not appear to have been met. A slew of daily status update requests could easily result in the end of his service. If you do use it, I would suggest you consider “giving gold” which is a Reddit mechanism to provide a degree of compensation for his efforts.

I would have guessed that we would see 1 or 2 of the ~30 in D1 status on the tracker move out of D1 in addition to CEDX, based on that 4-5 vehicles a day. strange to me that nothing moved except cedx

And with increase to 27 vehicles a day starting 4/23, our next couple of tracker updates should show several moving out of D1 instead of just 1,2

If not, there must be an intentional D1 retain going on to not get our hopes up. strange anyway. Good info and good summary warc1. pretty much spot on i think

 

[warc1]

I would have guessed that we would see 1 or 2 of the ~30 in D1 status on the tracker move out of D1 in addition to CEDX, based on that 4-5 vehicles a day. strange to me that nothing moved except cedx

There are some hints in Drillionaire's posts on why this may be happening. The tracking data appears intended for dealers to give them information on their orders. The factory apparently has their own system for scheduling orders and managing the build process and that data is not the same. Part of the explanation is that once vehicles reach KZ status FCA is no longer in direct control as a contractor is responsible for managing the storage lot and organising deliveries. Still, I'm shown as being in D on the tracking data while the factory data has me at D1 with an assigned gateline number. That's well before the contractor handoff.

To be clear, this is totally outside of the control of Jay and JLWF Dealer Guy who are working with the only data available to them. That data has had issues as long as the spreadsheet has been around. Some have actually taken delivery of their vehicles while still being reported as D1 on the spreadsheet. Bottom line, the spreadsheet will eventually update, but not necessarily in real time.

 

[alltimesaresoon]

that's helpful warc1. Suppose it's good enough reason for me to keep checking jeep chat and my dealer to see if i'm D1, as i'm still D in tracking. i know jeepchat is pretty much worthless but what else am i gonna do with my time?

ordered 3/7 so i'm in the right neck of the woods to start hitting D1 especially if 4/23 increased to 27 per day and 4/27 floodgates open towards 200.

I tried drillionaire but i was D so he said check back.... gonna be a fun next couple weeks if we start seeing pics and deliveries. Sounds quite possible, CEDX, sweetwater and 1 or two others getting close

 

[warc1]

Thank you. This is so encouraging. I will just wait, but please post any additional updates you may have along the way.

I made a minor update to the original post in red text based on new info from Drillionaire last night. I had previously pointed out that he had responded to around 100 requests for status updates over the last two weeks. Yesterday alone, he received 32 new update requests and responded to them all from around midnight to 3:00 am. Not sure how sustainable this is going to be for him.

 

[warc1]

that's helpful warc1. Suppose it's good enough reason for me to keep checking jeep chat and my dealer to see if i'm D1, as i'm still D in tracking.

I find POC's to be the most reliable status information that is available to customers. It has shown me as being in D1 since April 9, 2018, which is consistent with Drillionaire's info, and that is more current than the tracking spreadsheet. According to JLWF Dealer Guy, POC's are accessible by any salesperson at any dealership if they know where to look. Unfortunately, the great majority don't seem to have that knowledge, in which case, I suggest going to the new car manager and asking for a pdf copy. I have an arrangement to get one a week from mine.

 

[alltimesaresoon]

We’ve all read the conflicting information on the status of 2dr production that we’re getting from FCA, dealers, and acquaintances of acquaintances that supposedly know something. As a refreshing alternative, many on this thread have recently become aware of a poster on Reddit under the name Drillionaire. For the first time, I think we have access to a source with demonstrated knowledge of 2dr production status and a high degree of reliability. I’ve been fascinated by digging into his comments over the last couple of weeks and thought I would post my take on what I think you can conclude about the 2dr situation with a high degree of certainty.

First, the background on Drillionaire. He’s stated that he’s a manager within the Toledo North Plant that houses the JL line. I’ve found confirmation on the web, but to protect his privacy, I’m not going to link to it. He has an open comment on the Jeep Reddit where he is offering to provide any JL customer with the status of their order. He’s answered around 100 requests over the past two weeks where he can confirm D1 status, and for those orders, tell you what number you are in line before framing starts on your build and how much time that is anticipated to take. He can also tell you if there have been issues with your build that have caused delays and how they’re being addressed. No one has ever come back to say the information he has provided was wrong so there is near conclusive evidence that he is legitimate.

So what has Drillionaire told us about 2dr production?

1. It started on April 9, 2018.
2. As of April 20, 2018, production has been very low at around 4-5 vehicles a day. To put this in perspective, current JL production is around 900 vehicles per day. Historically, 2dr builds represent around 20% of all Wrangler production so that they need to be close to 200 2drs per day to meet demand not including the 4 month backlog of unfulfilled orders.
3. As of April 23, 2018, 2dr production has risen to 3% of JL builds, or 27 vehicles per day.
4. Delays in introduction of 2drs and the current low production rate are because suppliers are strained having to produce parts for two different lines (JK and JL), something they’ve never had to do before.
5. JK production ends on April 27, 2018 and it is anticipated that will allow the ramp up on 2drs to build quickly the following weeks.
6. There is an indefinite hold on releasing 2drs built to date until they’ve manufactured enough with no issues. Given the current low rate of production, that could take some time. [20180425] 2drs are beginning to be released from the hold.
7. Only hard tops have been built to date with non premium soft tops slated to start around May 1, 2018 and premium versions targeted for May 15, 2018.
8. The delay on premium soft tops is not due to inability to supply but rather that engineering is not complete on water proofing.
9. Sting Grey and Mojito orders with body coloured tops have yet to be built due to paint mismatch on plastic vs metal. Sting Grey orders with black hard tops are in production but nothing yet for Mojito.
10. Anticipated arrivals for dealer ordered 2drs (as opposed to customer orders) was estimated to be around the first week of May back when production started on April 9. Given that they’ve yet to ramp of production beyond 27 vehicles per day, I would suggest that is no longer operative.
11. [20180425] In response to a question on frame welding issues, the following answer was given: "We we're having problems back in the pilot phase, but haven't had very many problems lately."

Rumours that can be dispelled:

1. The rumour that 2dr production was recently halted is false. Production has been continuous since the April 9, 2018 startup.
2. The rumour posted on this site that the first 2drs will not be available until October 2018 is false.
3. There’s no evidence of an ongoing quality issue with 2drs that is preventing its release.
4. There has been no parts hold for LED or steel bumper orders.

Ever since Drillionaire’s offer to give status updates has become more widely known, he’s getting hammered with requests. If you do want to pursue this, I would suggest making one request, and if given a target date, only ask for a follow-up if that date does not appear to have been met. A slew of daily status update requests could easily result in the end of his service. If you do use it, I would suggest you consider “giving gold” which is a Reddit mechanism to provide a degree of compensation for his efforts.

this should be a sticky at the top of this thread.....

 

[orey22]

KZ status this morning, slowly but surely moving along, tracking sheet does not reflect this as of yet, ...info from Jeep chat.

 

[jman]

Just saw this bad boy when I went out. Jeeps like this are why I think 2 doors are so much better than 4.

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