Pentastar + BSG

[Tonopah]

Does Jeep plan to bring BSG to the Pentastar?

In a Pentastar application, would the only real advantage be better fuel mileage? Would there be any performance increase to offset the additional complications introduced by the BSG setup?

I'm thinking if I want the Pentastar, I might be better off ordering one now (without BSG) and using a programmer to shut off ESS.

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[digitalbliss]

The first question would be a yes. They have already shown it off on the Ram pickups. The second question is yes, mostly fuel mileage and a seamless start/stop operation. The ESS on the 3.6 is a bit clunky and unrefined. Some slight performance increase but probably not enough to really matter. If available at no extra cost, I probably would have opted for it.

 

[nerubi]

If you read some of the 2.0L threads FCA is getting rid of the Pentastar (and maybe the Hemi) and putting the 2.0L in. If you read the Green New Deal they will be replacing all car motors in 10 years with an empty engine compartment.

 

[Tonopah]

I have an appointment to test drive tomorrow -- 2.0 turbo Rubicon and V6 Pentastar Rubicon. Both automatic. I'll also test drive a Rebel 5.7 V8 (interested, a little, in the Rebel 12 package). During the recent snowy/muddy weather I made use of 4WD low and lockers and was glad I had that capability in my '15 2dr 6spd JK Rubicon. I am leery of the 2.0T but lots of folks seem to like it. I think it is sort of telling that it is not planned for the Gladiator though.

 

[Fastmover]

Be aware when testing the 2.0L that some dealers will fill them with 89 octane, not realizing what engine is in the Jeep and also perhaps because they're cheap. Then you won't get a true idea of how the 2.0L can perform.

 

[viper88]

Be aware when testing the 2.0L that some dealers will fill them with 89 octane, not realizing what engine is in the Jeep and also perhaps because they're cheap. Then you won't get a true idea of how the 2.0L can perform.

I found this to be true. Lately I have been test driving a lot, both engines, back to back. Every dealer I test drove with filled all Jls, both 2.0 and 3.6, with regular 87 octane. I noticed this early on during a test drive months ago. I had to ask the sales person to fill a third Jl 2.0 with premium back then. On my recent test drives I ask them to fill the 2.0 Turbos with premium when possible. There is definitely a difference with premium gas. The 2.0 is a lot more fun to drive when it's making the power and torque it is supposed to be making.

 

[viper88]

I have an appointment to test drive tomorrow -- 2.0 turbo Rubicon and V6 Pentastar Rubicon. Both automatic. I'll also test drive a Rebel 5.7 V8 (interested, a little, in the Rebel 12 package). During the recent snowy/muddy weather I made use of 4WD low and lockers and was glad I had that capability in my '15 2dr 6spd JK Rubicon. I am leery of the 2.0T but lots of folks seem to like it. I think it is sort of telling that it is not planned for the Gladiator though.

Both are good engines. Have fun!

 

[Sean L]

The BSG operates the StartStop system in a much smoother manner than using the 12V starter. I've noticed this in both the 2.0 and HEMI applications in a Rubicon and in a Rebel. Good help in making these vehicles into daily drivers.

 

[Rploaded]

I have an appointment to test drive tomorrow -- 2.0 turbo Rubicon and V6 Pentastar Rubicon. Both automatic. I'll also test drive a Rebel 5.7 V8 (interested, a little, in the Rebel 12 package). During the recent snowy/muddy weather I made use of 4WD low and lockers and was glad I had that capability in my '15 2dr 6spd JK Rubicon. I am leery of the 2.0T but lots of folks seem to like it. I think it is sort of telling that it is not planned for the Gladiator though.

It won’t be in the truck because of heat. It can easily do the work and likely out tow the 3.6 at elevations. Sadly they just aren’t allowed to let engines run cooler these days because of emissions. Ford tows with a 4cyl and I think it’s about 200lbs less than the Gladiator, however they have loads more room for cooling to make it work.

 

[Lincoln]

Does Jeep plan to bring BSG to the Pentastar?

In a Pentastar application, would the only real advantage be better fuel mileage? Would there be any performance increase to offset the additional complications introduced by the BSG setup?

I'm thinking if I want the Pentastar, I might be better off ordering one now (without BSG) and using a programmer to shut off ESS.

I don’t think power is in question except at higher elevations but I do think reliability is I test drove both engines and went with the 3.6 There’s a lot of extra stuff going on with the 2.0 such as 3 different cooling systems One for the engine one for the turbo and one for the 48 volt batteries which seem to be located in a very poor location with a pretty cheap thin skid plate and a bunch of coolant lines running underneath the Jeep to the batteries I’m kind of old school and like to keep things simple FCA seems to be complicating what was once a simple vehicle I’m happy with the 3.6 but I live closer to sea level The beauty of asking a question like yours on a forum is if you get 10 replies you’ll get 11 different answers to your question My 3.6 in my JKU that I traded never gave me any problems so that was one of the reasons I went with the 3.6 Time will tell how the 2.0 plays out but I wasn’t willing to anti up the extra grand for it so I saved the money for fuel mileage difference but I didn’t buy my Jeep for mileage That’s only my take on your question Good luck making a decision

 

[Lincoln]

Sorry Tonopah I meant to reply to your other post about the 2.0 vs the 3.6 and I hate the start stop feature

 

[Tonopah]

Well, I drove both the 2.0T and the Pentastar V6 in 4 door wranglers (Rubicon and Moab, respectively). The 2.0 turbo was a real surprise -- quick! The salesperson did not know what gas was in it but it was a brand new arrival with almost no gas in the tank, so I'm guessing premium from the factory.

Then I drove the V6. Preferred it. Lots of power (compared to my '15 manual Rubi) with all the get up and go I'd ever need.

Still thinking about whether I want to buy now or not, but at least I know I have settled on the V6.

 

[Columbus104]

I have an appointment to test drive tomorrow -- 2.0 turbo Rubicon and V6 Pentastar Rubicon. Both automatic. I'll also test drive a Rebel 5.7 V8 (interested, a little, in the Rebel 12 package). During the recent snowy/muddy weather I made use of 4WD low and lockers and was glad I had that capability in my '15 2dr 6spd JK Rubicon. I am leery of the 2.0T but lots of folks seem to like it. I think it is sort of telling that it is not planned for the Gladiator though.

One thing to keep in mind, based on where you live. If you plan to take the Jeep into any elevation, the 2.0 may be a better option. The 3.6 is a great engine at east coast elevations, but it does lose power in the mountains of the west. The turbo holds up much better.

 

[chcg12]

Interesting...sure would like to know when the 3.6 bsg will be available?? Maybe -7-22-2019 when the 2020's are supposed to start production?

 

[Tonopah]

I’m thinking that BSG etorque is valuable from a performance stand point with the 2.0T because the turbo won’t provide any power until it spools up at maybe 1500 rpm. So, etorque helps the 2.0 get off the line and helps in crawling.

The V6 doen’t really need etorque for those purposes especially if you turn off ESS with a tazer.

I think I’d rather have the V6 without the BSG in order to avoid the add’l complexity and weight.

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