Won't go into drive with door open

[Jo's Jeep]

So what would happen if you were driving along at 45mph and opened the door? Would the jeep suddenly throw itself in to park and come to a stop?

No, it comes into play when moving 3MPH or less.

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[caged]

another reason i'm glad i chose a standard.
ess is bypassed simply by leaving it in gear with your foot on the clutch. if you shift to neutral and take your foot off the clutch, that's when ess kicks in.
also i'm sure i have had the door open while backing up without a problem.

my father in law bought a new gmc terrrain, and there is no shifter. it's selector is like a power window button on the dash. that's why it shifts to park when you open the door. i'm sure he's done it many times. he's in his late 70's. he says it's the thing he dislikes the most (shifter, or lack of one). problem with this is when he gets into his other vehicle, he may forget to put that one in park. (2017 canyon) as i don't believe it has this feature.

 

[Biscuit]

seems like a pointless safety feature considering you can take the doors off.

Not pointless. It mitigates the possibility that a careless, inattentive or stupid person will injure or kill others or himself and then try to hold FCA liable for said stupidity.

 

[RussJeep1]

In situations like these its important to assign blame properly to one of the three entities involved: a) the operator, b) the manufacturer, c) the legal system.

Yelchin didn't do the smartest of things..assuming he failed to put the vehicle in park before exiting it (I don't know the case.) But I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be so harsh as to employ Darwinian principles here.

At some point in time we have all been new to dangerous tools and appliances (true: this may not apply to Yelchin) and if we're lucky, we got instructions before use on otherwise well designed and serviced gear and followed that schooling. Certainly inventions as simple as a dead man's switch (a switch that must be pressed to activate a device) have come to be justifiably expected on things like saws. Certainly we want safe products. And operator pre-certification (e.g. a driver's license), i.e. training goes a long way as well.
Conversely, open the lid of hot coffee in a moving vehicle, even coffee that's much hotter than it should/need be, and my sympathies, if not my cash award as juror may be limited (McDonalds v Liebeck.) We need to finger ourselves for blame no less than others.

And yet still, taking the stupid consumer or the irresponsible manufacturer out of the picture, I feel our country needs some serious tort reform. Far too much in awards I think are paid out to plantiffs sometimes, all while another part of me feels that these awards aren't enough as they often don't incentivize corporate defendents adequately to be more responsible, in ways that leaves us innocent bystanders paying the bill in higher product cost. Perhaps this difference between what a company pays in a case, and what a defendant receives should go to a pool that offsets the expenses you and I incur as innocent bystanders of the judicial process.

 

[BillG]

You can move the Jeep with door open and no seatbelt if you barely touch the brake with your left foot while moving. It won’t auto park. This works up to 7-8 mph at least, I’ve had no need to test further.
Handy to know for backing up to trailer. Once you remove foot from brake, auto park will engage. This works both forward and reverse.

 

[WXman]

My buddy has a Ram 1500 (2016 or 2017 model I think) that did NOT come with AutoPark. But, he had to get a recall completed and while they had the truck they flashed the computer with new software which added AutoPark to the truck. When he picked it up from them he was P I S S E D. :cwl:

I told him I feel your pain brother!! Really sucks for those of us who pull boats!

 

[RussJeep1]

I just take my doors off so the JL switches to using the pressure sensor in the driver's seat as indication that the driver is or isn't present.

Then, when I need to leave the rig for a quick second, I use the old Indie trick:



(this is satire: don't ever do this.)

 

[offcamber]

My buddy has a Ram 1500 (2016 or 2017 model I think) that did NOT come with AutoPark. But, he had to get a recall completed and while they had the truck they flashed the computer with new software which added AutoPark to the truck. When he picked it up from them he was P I S S E D. :cwl:

I told him I feel your pain brother!! Really sucks for those of us who pull boats!

That is what happened to our Grand Cherokee. I actually told them to NOT flash our Jeep, specifically because of that AND because I had a GDE tune that would be overwritten. They did it anyway. The service advisor no longer has his job after I got through with them.

 

[wvgasguy]

Not pointless. It mitigates the possibility that a careless, inattentive or stupid person will injure or kill others or himself and then try to hold FCA liable for said stupidity.

And they have to assume there are a lot of stupid people out theRe as they see us buying $60K Jeeps in record numbers

 

[RussJeep1]

Maybe this came up, but can someone detail the essence of the design by which a physically attached and otherwise electrically connected JL door (the latter via the door's cable harness connection) detects the fact that it is open or shut?

What I can glean is that somehow making the electrical connection via the door cable, whether that opens or closes a circuit, or adds/takes away resistance from an electrical line, etc., allows the JL to "know" that a door is attached, and that, I presume, something about open closing/opening the door opens/closes/changes the resistance on a circuit to signify the door's open/close status.

Not that I'm suggesting hacks defeat safety mechanisms like Auto-Park, but would it not be most efficient to understand and devise mechanisms to override these features? For example, envision an on/off switch that goes in between the connection point for the door's electrical cable to the rig. Might turning that switch to the off position make the rig "think" it has no driver's side door attached?

Of course then one would need to fool the driver's seat weight mechanism as well, which I understand kicks in as the standard by which the rig determines that a driver is inside when running doorless**.

** I'm defining doorless here to be the least work involved in making the rig "think" it's doorless. If that involves simply disconnecting the door's electrical cable, so be it.

 

[WXman]

Maybe this came up, but can someone detail the essence of the design by which a physically attached and otherwise electrically connected JL door (the latter via the door's cable harness connection) detects the fact that it is open or shut?

What I can glean is that somehow making the electrical connection via the door cable, whether that opens or closes a circuit, or adds/takes away resistance from an electrical line, etc., allows the JL to "know" that a door is attached, and that, I presume, something about open closing/opening the door opens/closes/changes the resistance on a circuit to signify the door's open/close status.

Not that I'm suggesting hacks defeat safety mechanisms like Auto-Park, but would it not be most efficient to understand and devise mechanisms to override these features? For example, envision an on/off switch that goes in between the connection point for the door's electrical cable to the rig. Might turning that switch to the off position make the rig "think" it has no driver's side door attached?

Of course then one would need to fool the driver's seat weight mechanism as well, which I understand kicks in as the standard by which the rig determines that a driver is inside when running doorless**.

** I'm defining doorless here to be the least work involved in making the rig "think" it's doorless. If that involves simply disconnecting the door's electrical cable, so be it.

It's amazing that tuners have been able to do countless things like program the splash screen to show Rubicon on a Sport model, turn off TPMS which is a federally mandated safety feature, activate LED lights, and allow lockers to be selected in non-factory modes....but they cannot shut off the AutoPark feature. At least not reliably. That baffles me.

Apparently FCA has purposefully made it extremely difficult to solve this problem.

 

[RussJeep1]

It's amazing that tuners have been able to do countless things like program the splash screen to show Rubicon on a Sport model, turn off TPMS which is a federally mandated safety feature, activate LED lights, and allow lockers to be selected in non-factory modes....but they cannot shut off the AutoPark feature. At least not reliably. That baffles me.

Apparently FCA has purposefully made it extremely difficult to solve this problem.

My speaking from ignorance @WXman , is it also possible that such CANbus providers have lawyers telling them...."you don't want to provide such features"?

 

[WXman]

My speaking from ignorance @WXman , is it also possible that such CANbus providers have lawyers telling them...."you don't want to provide such features"?

Possible, but if so you'd think they wouldn't offer features like TPMS disable either. You know? I think they just haven't figured out how to turn AutoPark off yet. It's crazy difficult I suppose.

 

[American Jeeper]

The funny thing is that it only works sometimes or at least it doesn’t work in 4 Lo. I was stuck off road and got out to see how stuck, then realized I was in drive with all four tires spinning very slowly.

It’s good to have safety features. This one is annoying at times and not something I am used to, but it could save a life sometime somewhere I suppose!

 

[TA1ton]

@American Jeeper; yeah...according to the manual, 4L disables AutoPark. And I agree it’s annoying...but I also think it’s a nice feature. It would also be nice to be able to turn it off...but I’ve gotten to where I just buckle the seat belt behind me when I’m going to be hopping in and out to move the Jeep around.

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