Disappointed with Wet Performance (Toyo AT3)

[john_cal]

Currently have a set of 285/75r17 Toyo AT3’s and they aren’t the best in the rain. Didn’t realize the difference until I drove another Jeep with all seasons. The difference in wet grip is pretty drastic.

So my next question is what do I do next. I have been looking at P285/70(not 75 anymore)/r17 Falken AT3W (maybe the LT) or the Pirelli Scorpion AT PLUS (D load).

My commute is 70 miles round trip daily, so constantly having traction control kick in when it rains makes for an overall less than enjoyable experience.

So the questions I have are
1. What should I do with my current tires. (knowing i will lose money)
2. Do I try the Pirelli Scorpion D load - lighter than my Toyo’s now but still worried about having a D load tire.
3. Should I get the falken instead of the Pirelli? If so, LT OR P.
4. Any other suggestions for good wet grip tires.

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[Wbino]

Why not get the Bridgestones that came on my High Altitude?
I fly through rain, but I also have 4wd auto and LSD.

 

[Deleted member 74991]

Currently have a set of 285/75r17 Toyo AT3’s and they completely suck in the rain. Didn’t realize how bad they were until I drove another Jeep with all seasons. The difference in wet grip is night and day.

So my next question is what do I do next. I have been looking at P285/70(not 75 anymore)/r17 Falken AT3W (maybe the LT) or the Pirelli Scorpion AT PLUS (D load).

My commute is 70 miles round trip daily, so constantly having traction control kick in when it rains makes for an overall less than enjoyable experience.

So the questions I have are
1. What should I do with my current tires. (knowing i will lose money)
2. Do I try the Pirelli Scorpion D load - lighter than my Toyo’s now but still worried about having a D load tire.
3. Should I get the falken instead of the Pirelli? If so, LT OR P.
4. Any other suggestions for good wet grip tires.

I had the Toyo ATII’s (Previous Generation) on my truck and it was like Ice Skating in the rain. I ended up back with the KO2’s.

 

[john_cal]

I had the Toyo ATII’s (Previous Generation) on my truck and it was like Ice Skating in the rain. I ended up back with the KO2’s.

It's terrible, how are the KO2's? I have heard some complain.

 

[Jank4AU]

Cooper Discoverer AT3's will hook up great on wet pavement. Never had any issues with them. They make a P285/70/17 in the AT3 4S and that and larger in the AT3 XLT's. However, the XLT's are E load. These are fantastic tires.

Cooper® Discoverer® AT3 4S™: All-Terrain Tire | Cooper Tire
Cooper® Discoverer® AT3 XLT™: Pickup Truck Tires | Cooper Tire

KO2's are nothing to write home about on wet pavement.

 

[john_cal]

Cooper Discoverer AT3's will hook up great on wet pavement. Never had any issues with them. They make a P285/70/17 in the AT3 4S and that and larger in the AT3 XLT's. However, the XLT's are E load. These are fantastic tires.

Cooper® Discoverer® AT3 4S™: All-Terrain Tire | Cooper Tire
Cooper® Discoverer® AT3 XLT™: Pickup Truck Tires | Cooper Tire

KO2's are nothing to write home about on wet pavement.

I will take a look - Thank you!

 

[GrayWolf.Overland]

Not a lot of ppl will suggest this tire here.. if you don't go off-road much (light trails, FSRs) and the Jeep is mostly for commuting - consider getting Firestone Destination AT2
Destination AT2Tire (firestonetire.ca)

It's one of the quietest and best wet-grip tires I have run on my SUVs. For reference, I have lived in the pacific northwest region since 2010. Every other AT I have ran hydroplanes and floats one way or the other (Grabber ATx, Nokian Rotiva AT, BFG KO2, Toyo Celcius - have ran these too)

 

[azwjowner]

Cooper Discoverer AT3's will hook up great on wet pavement. Never had any issues with them. They make a P285/70/17 in the AT3 4S and that and larger in the AT3 XLT's. However, the XLT's are E load. These are fantastic tires.

Cooper® Discoverer® AT3 4S™: All-Terrain Tire | Cooper Tire
Cooper® Discoverer® AT3 XLT™: Pickup Truck Tires | Cooper Tire

KO2's are nothing to write home about on wet pavement.

Although I have limited wet pavement experience, I ran the AT3 4S (and its predecessor) for 7 years and they were fantastic. If you go with the P285/70/17 size, keep in mind that tire pressures are lower for P tires than for LT tires - you'll probably be at 26 psi.

 

[Kreepin1]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but the Toyo has excellent wet weather performance based on TireRack.com reviews. You have picked two alternatives that have similar tread design and are likely to have very similar wet weather traction.

What tire pressure are you running? I'd suggest 30 psi, no higher than 35 with those LT tires. I'm not sure what @azwjowner was getting at, but in my experience P-metric tires have a lower maximum pressure than LT tires but on a Jeep LT tires work best with a lower pressure.

So let's talk about tread design. For wet traction you want 3-4 grooves that run all the way around the tire. This gives water a place to go. You also want lots of little tiny cuts in the tread blocks. These squirt the water from under the tread block and into the grooves. A good example it the Cooper AT3 4S (good call @Jank4AU )

 

[john_cal]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but the Toyo has excellent wet weather performance based on TireRack.com reviews. You have picked two alternatives that have similar tread design and are likely to have very similar wet weather traction.

What tire pressure are you running? I'd suggest 30 psi, no higher than 35 with those LT tires. I'm not sure what @azwjowner was getting at, but in my experience P-metric tires have a lower maximum pressure than LT tires but on a Jeep LT tires work best with a lower pressure.

So let's talk about tread design. For wet traction you want 3-4 grooves that run all the way around the tire. This gives water a place to go. You also want lots of little tiny cuts in the tread blocks. These squirt the water from under the tread block and into the grooves. A good example it the Cooper AT3 4S (good call @Jank4AU )

If you actually go farther into the Tire Rack results it says “Needs a substantial increase in wet traction”

I’m running 36 PSI as well, definitely looking into the coopers

 

[azwjowner]

I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but the Toyo has excellent wet weather performance based on TireRack.com reviews. You have picked two alternatives that have similar tread design and are likely to have very similar wet weather traction.

What tire pressure are you running? I'd suggest 30 psi, no higher than 35 with those LT tires. I'm not sure what @azwjowner was getting at, but in my experience P-metric tires have a lower maximum pressure than LT tires but on a Jeep LT tires work best with a lower pressure.

So let's talk about tread design. For wet traction you want 3-4 grooves that run all the way around the tire. This gives water a place to go. You also want lots of little tiny cuts in the tread blocks. These squirt the water from under the tread block and into the grooves. A good example it the Cooper AT3 4S (good call @Jank4AU )

I was just referring to in the tire load charts, Jeep's OEM pressure of 36 psi for a 245/75/17 tire translates into 26 psi for P285/70/17:

OEM Size (245/75R17 SL) Load Capacity: 2469 lbs. @ 36 psi.

New Size (P285/70R17 SL) Load Capacity: 2480 lbs. @ 26 psi.

 

[Jank4AU]

One easy way to determine the correct pressure when you change from the factory tires and start changing specs, load range, tire width/diameter - do the chalk test. I've done it on my tires before and it really helps to figure out what pressure you should be running. Easily done and no math required! Plenty of videos on YouTube.

 

[Deleted member 74991]

It's terrible, how are the KO2's? I have heard some complain.

I like them, but everyone has their opinions.

 

[Mudduck]

I think we need a “How to drive in the rain without dying” thread At this point.

Some people love the K02s, I think they suck. I love the OC AT3s, some people think they suck.

What I do know is that at 1 point in my life, I was broke AF, no job, had a modded 93 Cobra w/ Skinny’s on the front and DOT drag radials on the rear. I delivered Pizza to keep the lights on after losing my job. I delivered in the rain as well, and I didn’t die.

I dont think tires are the main issue In wet weather. Let common sense prevail and slow down/drive within your comfort zone/skill set. There are no magical all season tires, they all have limitations, and opinions are all over the place.

 

[john_cal]

I think we need a “How to drive in the rain without dying” thread At this point.

Some people love the K02s, I think they suck. I love the OC AT3s, some people think they suck.

What I do know is that at 1 point in my life, I was broke AF, no job, had a modded 93 Cobra w/ Skinny’s on the front and DOT drag radials on the rear. I delivered Pizza to keep the lights on after losing my job. I delivered in the rain as well, and I didn’t die.

I dont think tires are the main issue In wet weather. Let common sense prevail and slow down/drive within your comfort zone/skill set. There are no magical all season tires, they all have limitations, and opinions are all over the place.

I never said it was dangerous, I just said the difference between the At3’s and the stock sport altitude tires is night and day. A lot more confidence inspiring.

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