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I ordered my first 22 Rubi online 12/28, and have been in waiting purgatory ever since. JC and my dealer have very little to tell me, which I understand is the norm. I am struggling to understand why my build status code would go backwards. When we ordered it, we were given our order sheet with the options we ordered, a VIN, and a build status of D. 4 weeks ago my salesperson was pleased to inform me that it had been "escalated to 01". 2 weeks ago he said we had a status change and were now at status C. Why would it go from D back to C? Has anyone else had these issues? Cryptostickers shows that the build sheet is not yet generated, and JC has given me the same response for 2 months that the parts are being gathered blah blah blah.
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They cant get parts or an error on order. Have no ETA on parts and might never be built. C is not buildable . Have an XR? Is it a manual? Is it Ruby or is actually Snazzberry? Everything I mentioned could lead to C
 

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They cant get parts or an error on order. Have no ETA on parts and might never be built. C is not buildable . Have an XR? Is it a manual? Is it Ruby or is actually Snazzberry? Everything I mentioned could lead to C
C = Tentative schedule.
It doesn't mean it's not buildable.
Rubi = Rubicon
Snazzberry wouldn't hold it up.
 

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C Status: This comes after the computer algorithm accepts the mix of options is valid. This is the point that the production sequencing system notifies FCA's parts suppliers that they need parts X, Y, and Z, roughly within "some number" of days. "Some number" is variable depending on the complexity of the parts needed. An engine being shipped up from Mexico needs a bit more lead time than a plastic stamping supplier in Michigan cranking out door sill protectors, for example.

D Status: The VIN is assigned. This is FCA's commitment that they are indeed going to build this unit, and the external notification back to the dealer or end customer can be made. This is also the point at which the suppliers - and by this I mean both internal and external to FCA - are all responding back that they can meet the demand within a particular production window. At some point all of the suppliers will confirm and notify FCA that the parts in question can be delivered within the requested production window. JeepChat calls this the "Gathering Parts" stage. Geez, they make it sound like the little elves are scampering around the factory in Toledo finding steering wheels in the back room over by the generator on the far end of the south hallway. It probably used to be like that back when they built my old CJ-7...

D1 Status: Here the computers have figured out an efficient order for production and a targeted date can be assigned. While Wranglers roll down the line with all manner of mix and match options packages one after another, in some cases a particular run of like vehicles might want to be produced in the name of efficiency, for example right hand drive Wranglers. Another case might be where a supplier can deliver six truckloads of 4:1 transfer cases so they might sequence in a few more Rubicons on that day. FCA confirms to each of the suppliers to have the parts in question delivered on that particular day. The factory floor in Toledo is not in the business of storing anything longer than absolutely needed so they try and cut this as close to the actual day of production that the part is needed. JeepChat will tell you that "...all the parts have been gathered and your Jeep will be entering the build really soon now, I promise!" The only real gathering of parts is being done remotely by someone staring blankly at a computer screen, cigarette dangling out of their mouth, pecking at a keyboard and entering a date on a spreadsheet.

D1 to D Regress: Here one or more of the suppliers has had some sort of issue and cannot deliver what has been promised. Let's say that one of the six truckloads of transfer cases above hits an icy patch of highway and slides off the road, now the factory is short some critical parts that can only be used on specific Wranglers and in order to keep the lines humming something needs to be moved around. The complication to this is when the seat supplier of seats that have the red Rubicon logo emblazoned on the front have been able to deliver on time and now we have a mismatch of parts. A good production scheduler can adjust and perhaps run more Saharas through, but that might require more painted bumpers so those need to be located. Ever wonder why you see dozens of semi truck trailers in the parking lot in Toledo? Those are all "delivery sequence adjustments". If the problem that caused the disruption can't be rectified shortly, some builds are going to have to be rescheduled to a later week, because the following week and the week after are already sequenced. Back to D and we have to "gather" those parts again.

D1 or D to C Regress is the extreme case where some supplier has notified FCA that contrary to their earlier shipping commitment, they cannot deliver the parts on time and worse, they don't know when they will be able to fulfill the order. This is going to foul all sorts of stuff up, because a lot of suppliers won't have any issues so they need to be told to hold back on some deliveries, this may cause disruptions further up the chain and each supplier is going to react differently. As you can imagine, with no real info FCA cannot schedule builds that have the affected parts so those have to go all the way back to C and wait their turn.

This ended up being a lot longer than I thought it would be, hope it explains things better to those of us waiting.
 

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C Status: This comes after the computer algorithm accepts the mix of options is valid. This is the point that the production sequencing system notifies FCA's parts suppliers that they need parts X, Y, and Z, roughly within "some number" of days. "Some number" is variable depending on the complexity of the parts needed. An engine being shipped up from Mexico needs a bit more lead time than a plastic stamping supplier in Michigan cranking out door sill protectors, for example.

D Status: The VIN is assigned. This is FCA's commitment that they are indeed going to build this unit, and the external notification back to the dealer or end customer can be made. This is also the point at which the suppliers - and by this I mean both internal and external to FCA - are all responding back that they can meet the demand within a particular production window. At some point all of the suppliers will confirm and notify FCA that the parts in question can be delivered within the requested production window. JeepChat calls this the "Gathering Parts" stage. Geez, they make it sound like the little elves are scampering around the factory in Toledo finding steering wheels in the back room over by the generator on the far end of the south hallway. It probably used to be like that back when they built my old CJ-7...

D1 Status: Here the computers have figured out an efficient order for production and a targeted date can be assigned. While Wranglers roll down the line with all manner of mix and match options packages one after another, in some cases a particular run of like vehicles might want to be produced in the name of efficiency, for example right hand drive Wranglers. Another case might be where a supplier can deliver six truckloads of 4:1 transfer cases so they might sequence in a few more Rubicons on that day. FCA confirms to each of the suppliers to have the parts in question delivered on that particular day. The factory floor in Toledo is not in the business of storing anything longer than absolutely needed so they try and cut this as close to the actual day of production that the part is needed. JeepChat will tell you that "...all the parts have been gathered and your Jeep will be entering the build really soon now, I promise!" The only real gathering of parts is being done remotely by someone staring blankly at a computer screen, cigarette dangling out of their mouth, pecking at a keyboard and entering a date on a spreadsheet.

D1 to D Regress: Here one or more of the suppliers has had some sort of issue and cannot deliver what has been promised. Let's say that one of the six truckloads of transfer cases above hits an icy patch of highway and slides off the road, now the factory is short some critical parts that can only be used on specific Wranglers and in order to keep the lines humming something needs to be moved around. The complication to this is when the seat supplier of seats that have the red Rubicon logo emblazoned on the front have been able to deliver on time and now we have a mismatch of parts. A good production scheduler can adjust and perhaps run more Saharas through, but that might require more painted bumpers so those need to be located. Ever wonder why you see dozens of semi truck trailers in the parking lot in Toledo? Those are all "delivery sequence adjustments". If the problem that caused the disruption can't be rectified shortly, some builds are going to have to be rescheduled to a later week, because the following week and the week after are already sequenced. Back to D and we have to "gather" those parts again.

D1 or D to C Regress is the extreme case where some supplier has notified FCA that contrary to their earlier shipping commitment, they cannot deliver the parts on time and worse, they don't know when they will be able to fulfill the order. This is going to foul all sorts of stuff up, because a lot of suppliers won't have any issues so they need to be told to hold back on some deliveries, this may cause disruptions further up the chain and each supplier is going to react differently. As you can imagine, with no real info FCA cannot schedule builds that have the affected parts so those have to go all the way back to C and wait their turn.

This ended up being a lot longer than I thought it would be, hope it explains things better to those of us waiting.
Great explanation.
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