What is this welded hole!?

[DaltonGang]

It is there to deflect your attention away from your Death Wobble issues.

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[Rutterbg]

I saw your other thread about the horrible welds. How's the progress coming with getting your Jeep replaced? Will you get another Wrangler?

My jeep was inspected by both the district manager and the regional manager. They claim to see no difference between my welds and the welds on another jeep from the lot (which I also looked at and the welds on the other jeep were done perfectly and as expected). The only person admitting to seeing a difference is the service manager. FCA Mike MacDonald is claiming the service manager saw no difference, but I have in writing that the service manager did see a difference. I have compiled everything I have from pictures, to emails, service records, NHTSA complaints and inspection, and so on.

Jeep has decided to not replace my wrangler and they are not going to do any repairs. Ohio has some of the best lemon laws in the country and I now qualify for it since the ignored a major safety concern after one visit. Lemon law in Ohio does not allow any deductions and FCA will be required to pay all court and legal fees above and beyond my settlement. On top of that, Ohio at times charges for damages and penalties against the manufacturer for not handling a lemon outside of court. Penalty payments to the consumer can be up to treble (triple) the amount paid for the vehicle.

I have reached out to an attorney to assess my case and see if it is worth pursuing. I should hear back from them by weeks end. I will post another update once they respond. I attached a pdf of the comparison welds as well as a lot more of my bad welds. I also attached all of the NHTSA complaints, star publication, and NHTSA investigation docs.

 

[morricus]

Your welds honestly look no different than mine, I went out earlier and looked. Someone here had said it best, "There is a difference between a bad weld and an ugly weld."

 

[morricus]

Here are two crap welds I found on my car. Are they any worse than yours? Have they compromised the structural integrity of my frame? I'm not trying to be a jerk, I just don't fully understand what the issue is, I'm not a metallurgist.

 

[DaltonGang]

My jeep was inspected by both the district manager and the regional manager. They claim to see no difference between my welds and the welds on another jeep from the lot (which I also looked at and the welds on the other jeep were done perfectly and as expected). The only person admitting to seeing a difference is the service manager. FCA Mike MacDonald is claiming the service manager saw no difference, but I have in writing that the service manager did see a difference. I have compiled everything I have from pictures, to emails, service records, NHTSA complaints and inspection, and so on.

Jeep has decided to not replace my wrangler and they are not going to do any repairs. Ohio has some of the best lemon laws in the country and I now qualify for it since the ignored a major safety concern after one visit. Lemon law in Ohio does not allow any deductions and FCA will be required to pay all court and legal fees above and beyond my settlement. On top of that, Ohio at times charges for damages and penalties against the manufacturer for not handling a lemon outside of court. Penalty payments to the consumer can be up to treble (triple) the amount paid for the vehicle.

I have reached out to an attorney to assess my case and see if it is worth pursuing. I should hear back from them by weeks end. I will post another update once they respond. I attached a pdf of the comparison welds as well as a lot more of my bad welds. I also attached all of the NHTSA complaints, star publication, and NHTSA investigation docs.

Yes, some of the welds, on the outside look ratty. But, you would need to x-ray the welds, to see if the welds were "Bad". Speak with some pipe welders, on the subject, and go from there. Also, lawyers will be more than happy to take your money, bad welds or not.

 

[Rutterbg]

Yes, some of the welds, on the outside look ratty. But, you would need to x-ray the welds, to see if the welds were "Bad". Speak with some pipe welders, on the subject, and go from there. Also, lawyers will be more than happy to take your money, bad welds or not.

In the state of Ohio, the lawyers take no money AT ALL from consumers for lemon cases. They're only paid if they win, and FCA will have to pay them. That is law in Ohio.

 

[Jeepcity]

So the fact that Jeep welds have always been terrible somehow means the guy should buy a Hyundai instead of complaint? It’d be one thing if he was comparing about symptoms of the solid axle and removable top like some, but FCA could improve their welds and only make things better.

Never heard of frame weld failing on Jeeps since 1942, except a few bad track bar mount welds on JL . can"t say the same about tacoma frame rust .

 

[GreyFox]

In the state of Ohio, the lawyers take no money AT ALL from consumers for lemon cases. They're only paid if they win, and FCA will have to pay them. That is law in Ohio.

And did you contact them within 18k miles? Did they attempt to repair your vehicle? I live in Ohio, and I'm not sure what lawyer you are referring to unless it's The Tiger

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...s/Consumer-Tips/Consumer-Tips-Auto/Lemon-Laws

 

[Blu bi Kong]

Things may be gettin ugly here!

 

[Rutterbg]

And did you contact them within 18k miles? Did they attempt to repair your vehicle? I live in Ohio, and I'm not sure what lawyer you are referring to unless it's The Tiger

https://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov...s/Consumer-Tips/Consumer-Tips-Auto/Lemon-Laws

I only have 7000 miles. My jeep has been in twice for the welds issue and they are refusing to repair it or replace it.

https://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/new-car-lemon-law/

Ohio only requires 1 visit for an issue that could cause a major safety problems.

 

[morricus]

This forum seems to love polls for whatever reason, perhaps this is a good one to start here.

Regarding his weld complaint, do you think the OP:

1. Will get a brand new Jeep for ugly welds
2. Is looking for problems that don't exist and is creating a colossal waste of time and resources
3. Jeep will repair welds
4. Is the catalyst for a massive recall from Jeep for displeasing welds and becomes a Jeep Hero

 

[Blu bi Kong]

It kind of echoes the posts about not willing to buy proximity entry yet demanding that Jeep rebuilds the Jeep and adds it. Uhmmm, haven't seen any update in..........7 or 8 months. They surely rebuilt the Jeep and all is good now. That poster guy just forgot to let us know that.

 

[GreyFox]

I only have 7000 miles. My jeep has been in twice for the welds issue and they are refusing to repair it or replace it.

https://www.ohiolemonlaw.com/new-car-lemon-law/

Ohio only requires 1 visit for an issue that could cause a major safety problems.

But, is it a "major safety problem"? If FCA looked at it and gave it the OK, then make sure you have all your paperwork. I'd drive it and be happy and IF something ever happened, then you would have grounds for a law suit against them. I'd personally go with the paper trail and FCA engineers over an ambulance chasing lawyer. But hey, good luck

 

[jmcf1949]

Anyone happen to know what purpose this welded hole in the frame serves? I'm in the process of replacing my jeep for poor welds, and on my jeep the weld around this whole has a massive hole in it. Please help!

That is one of four Steering Gear holes. Which should be mounted on the inner frame rail.

 

[jeepdabest]

What is this welded hole!?
I had to pay extra for this. They are still not standard on most robots.

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