Throwing 'Quality Control' out the window

[lowmpg]

I’d say that’s fair. I’d also be willing to bet because of the production crunch that’s really hammering the line now that they’re rushing the paint/undercoating a little more. For instance, when mine went through the line, it went through all the stages over the course of a few days; it didn’t go from A-B in one shot like a bunch of people are seeing right now.

That probably isn't too far off reality as the race to make orders. The only blessing if you happen to have that bad luck is it is easy enough to paint yourself.

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[aldo98229]

Let’s read the chart fine print:

"Rankings are based on numerical scores, and not necessarily on statistical significance."

These rankings are really just pointless. It's like polling an internet forum for problems with a vehicle, you're going to find more complaining than not.

No. You are throwing the baby with the bath water.

All the fine print says is the rankings are not statistically significant; but the scores themselves are valid.

What this means is that, for instance, the differences between Kia and Hyundai, 145 vs 148, might not be statistically different, but the 5-point gap between Kia and Lexus might be. It is impossible to know exactly without JD Power disclosing what the confidence interval is.

What we do know from looking at this chart, though, is that the Koreans, Toyota/Lexus, Porsche and GM perform above industry average; Ford is right around average. FCA, Subaru, Nissan/Infiniti, Honda/Acura and most other European brands, perform below the norm.

 

[lowmpg]

No. You are throwing the baby with the bath water.

All the fine print says is the rankings are not statistically significant; but the scores themselves are valid.

What this means is that, for instance, the differences between Kia and Hyundai, 145 vs 148, might not be statistically different, but the 5-point gap between Kia and Lexus might be. It is impossible to know exactly without JD Power disclosing what the confidence interval is.

What we do know from looking at this chart, though, is that the Koreans, Toyota/Lexus, Porsche and GM perform above industry average; Ford is right around average. FCA, Subaru, Nissan/Infiniti, Honda/Acura and most other European brands, perform below the norm.

Did you use these rankings to determine whether you'd buy your vehicle?

 

[aldo98229]

Did you use these rankings to determine whether you'd buy your vehicle?

No. But it'd sure stop me from buying a Subaru, a Nissan or, God forbid...an Acura

 

[huberro2]

What I learned from the Business school, was Asian countries have little natural resources, if they can't sell something, they starve. That's some motivation. Back in the 60's, "Made in Japan" meant cheap worthless junk. They took TQM (Total Quality Manufacturing) to heart and now Toyota is the number one manufacture of cars in the world. Jeep should take note. But, not all Asian car manufactures embrace TQM. Mean Time Between Failures (MTBF) are sometimes base on how long the average person owns a vehicle before trading in/dumping, thus engineered to that time frame (3-5 years). Best judge is to look around or go to the junk yard. Whose cars, are still operational after that period? My guess it is Toyotas and Hondas win for the long term. But not every owner is in for the long term. They get bored quickly (3-5 years) and want a new vehicle. So, it may not be the manufacture's fault. They are in line with their customer base. Question is which camp are you in? Short game or the long game?

 

[aldo98229]

Japan, Germany and, later, Korea, got bombed to smithereens.

That might have more to do with it than anything else.

 

[nissanza]

It is very normal to any american vehicle brands after some years of using it. That's why most of the people prefer Japanese car brands like Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi.

 

[aldo98229]

It is very normal to any american vehicle brands after some years of using it. That's why most of the people prefer Japanese car brands like Toyota, Nissan and Mitsubishi.

I wouldn’t categorize Nissan as a quality automaker.

Certainly not on par with Toyota.

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