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for most people after installing parts or parts wearing out they find DW issues.

however if he picked it up stock and it had DW, there is no great way to start to find the culprit, personally that jeep would have went back to the dealership tell it was fixed before picking it up and modifying it.
that would be red flag number 1.

i have horror stories from the dealerships when i got my jeep but to take delivery of it so you can fix there mess up just doesn't make sense.
It 100% would have but I wanted the Orange and it was discontinued 2 weeks after I order it. If it was still available I would 100% have swapped it out.
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Jim is it. I don't know you, but it sure sounds like you know a lot about jeeps or at least have learned a lot through this endeavor with your orange machine. I am new to jeeping so I don't know much about them really.

Have to say though on your first post it just sounded kinda fishy. Now I see you were more just ranting, which is ok, we all do that.

I do know a bit about motorcycles though and have been riding and wrenching on them for over 30 years. One thing that has happened to me a couple times is I have found myself over thinking crap. Not saying this happens to you.

What has helped me was to just walk away. Sometimes it has had to be months. In between doing a little research when I felt like it. Usually what has happened is when I return to it I seem to be able to look at things with a fresh mind, and fresh thoughts. Sometimes returning to the beginning with new ideas and insight.

So, by reading all this I would say you are for sure not done. My suggestion, leave it sitting in back covered for a while. When you decide to return to it, start at the beginning with a new found patients and see what happens.

When you do, fix that dam thing and return to enjoying your jeep.

Hope you don't mind I post this. This has been a long project with a lot of blood, tears and frustration. Long story but started modifying crap and opened a big can of worms at one time. A lot of patients and research and she is now fricken bad ass and enjoy the crap out a my 38 year old restro mod.

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So to put it in perspective, I 100% thought the Jeep was fixed early spring. I drove it the the summer and actually for the first time since I owned it was able to drive it and NOT work on it all summer. Early September I drive the Jeep up to Michigan for a long weekend, Jeep is 100% fine on the way there. On the way home it starts the shimmering again. I get home an the ball joints have play AGAIN. I am leaving in 4 days for a Jeep Jamboree in SD. I swap the joints, get it fixed and head to the Jamboree. Pull it off the trailer and it’s still doing it. Get it home and park it for 3-4 weeks and didn’t even wash it. A week ago I pull it out, wash it and start to screw around with it again. Can’t fine anything at all wrong with it. Drive it to work and damn need put it in the wall. Get it home pull it apart and can’t find anything wrong. Now it will do it as low as 45 mph. I spent a full year playing with it and putting it back together, swapping parts, literally spent a full week with it on an alignment rack trying different things.

So about 30 seconds after I spent 3 hours going through it to find zero issues I officially had enough. If I had 5 gallons of gas and a highway flare I would have torched it, seriously. So yes, I was frustrated when I posted I will give you that. It’s parked, it will once again sit until spring or whenever I am done with the chevelle and at that point I will decide what is going to happen with it.
 
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Jim is it. I don't know you, but it sure sounds like you know a lot about jeeps or at least have learned a lot through this endeavor with your orange machine. I am new to jeeping so I don't know much about them really.

Have to say though on your first post it just sounded kinda fishy. Now I see you were more just ranting, which is ok, we all do that.

I do know a bit about motorcycles though and have been riding and wrenching on them for over 30 years. One thing that has happened to me a couple times is I have found myself over thinking crap. Not saying this happens to you.

What has helped me was to just walk away. Sometimes it has had to be months. In between doing a little research when I felt like it. Usually what has happened is when I return to it I seem to be able to look at things with a fresh mind, and fresh thoughts. Sometimes returning to the beginning with new ideas and insight.

So, by reading all this I would say you are for sure not done. My suggestion, leave it sitting in back covered for a while. When you decide to return to it, start at the beginning with a new found patients and see what happens.

When you do, fix that dam thing and return to enjoying your jeep.

Hope you don't mind I post this. This has been a long project with a lot of blood, tears and frustration. Long story but started modifying crap and opened a big can of worms at one time. A lot of patients and research and she is now fricken bad ass and enjoy the crap out a my 38 year old restro mod.

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By the way, nice bike.A friend of mine had the exact bike back in the day. I have had a few bikes over the years but the old back isn’t quite what it used to be! Had a GS1100 E back in the day and to this day still my favorite.
 

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Uh huh. And does the Jeep with a suspension heavily modified toward off road use dynamically adjust to the speed limit? No. I don't think so. Maybe you should drive at 60 to 65 MPH and see if hitting a little bump will disrupt it so much. You can't expect an off road vehicle to handle like a Ferrari.
 

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Uh huh. And does the Jeep with a suspension heavily modified toward off road use dynamically adjust to the speed limit? No. I don't think so. Maybe you should drive at 60 to 65 MPH and see if hitting a little bump will disrupt it so much. You can't expect an off road vehicle to handle like a Ferrari.
There is zero reason a lifted Jeep can’t do the speed limit.
 

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That's insane. Death wobble should not actually throw you around like that unless you panic. What you experienced was some bizarre mechanical failure.
I don’t know that I agree. I think the term death wobble gets thrown around a lot by people who have never truly experienced it. I remember back in the Jeeps Unlimited forum days someone summed it up best… “It’s not death wobble if you didn’t s#!t your pants.” If you didn’t almost lose a finger or thumb from the violence of the steering wheel, if the shaking of the vehicle didn’t throw things onto the floor, if you didn’t have to come to a complete stop to make it stop… then it probably wasn’t DW.
 
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I don’t know that I agree. I think the term death wobble gets thrown around a lot by people who have never truly experienced it. I remember back in the Jeeps Unlimited forum days someone summed it up best… “It’s not death wobble if you didn’t s#!t your pants.” If you didn’t almost lose a finger or thumb from the violence of the steering wheel, if the shaking of the vehicle didn’t throw things onto the floor, if you didn’t have to come to a complete stop to make it stop… then it probably wasn’t DW.
My left thumb still hurts several days later…..
 

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I don’t know that I agree. I think the term death wobble gets thrown around a lot by people who have never truly experienced it. I remember back in the Jeeps Unlimited forum days someone summed it up best… “It’s not death wobble if you didn’t s#!t your pants.” If you didn’t almost lose a finger or thumb from the violence of the steering wheel, if the shaking of the vehicle didn’t throw things onto the floor, if you didn’t have to come to a complete stop to make it stop… then it probably wasn’t DW.
I guess Ive only experienced/seen the wimp version of DW on these JLs ?.
 

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for most people after installing parts or parts wearing out they find DW issues.

however if he picked it up stock and it had DW, there is no great way to start to find the culprit, personally that jeep would have went back to the dealership tell it was fixed before picking it up and modifying it.
that would be red flag number 1.

i have horror stories from the dealerships when i got my jeep but to take delivery of it so you can fix there mess up just doesn't make sense.
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post 32 he wrote its been there since basically stock and the mods did NOT cause the issue,
thats the quote from the certified FCA tech
 
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Yup, started after the jamboree in Kentucky, cut two tires on the trip. Replaced the tires when we got back and started with a shimmy. Did the lift a few weeks later. Those tires are long gone, there has been three different sets of tires and wheels since.
 
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post 32 he wrote its been there since basically stock and the mods did NOT cause the issue,
thats the quote from the certified FCA tech
post 32 he wrote its been there since basically stock and the mods did NOT cause the issue,
thats the quote from the certified FCA tech
Same certified tech has replaced the tires three times since, pulled all the Jeep apart 3-4 times and still there. What’s your point? Keep reading, you will see all the other things that were done to the Jeep. All the times it was back at Jeep, all the gear box swaps, and a few 100 other things that were done to isolate it or eliminate it. I’m pretty sure there is even a picture in one of the posts of the 3 gear boxes getting bench tested.
 

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Yup, started after the jamboree in Kentucky, cut two tires on the trip. Replaced the tires when we got back and started with a shimmy. Did the lift a few weeks later. Those tires are long gone, there has been three different sets of tires and wheels since.
so when i asked why did you take delivery of it? you said cause you would fix it.

so if we now find out that it did not come from the dealer like that, but you off roaded it to the point you damaged tires/rims and possibly more.

your still claiming its jeeps fault? and that you would rather get a bronco?
 
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so when i asked why did you take delivery of it? you said cause you would fix it.

so if we now find out that it did not come from the dealer like that, but you off roaded it to the point you damaged tires/rims and possibly more.

your still claiming its jeeps fault? and that you would rather get a bronco?


I said I had the opportunity to have Jeep buy it back and didn’t because I could no longer get another Jeep in orange. And where did I ever say I “off roadbed it to the point of damaging tires and rims” Do you seriously have a clue?
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