No Reason Here For LED Lights

[jellis4148]

I ripped my LEDs out because I live in a city and don't need that much light. Replaced them with LPG powered gas lamps, like the olden days. I have to drive much slower now so I don't out drive my lamps, but hey that's safer. Only problem is now I get people flashing me from behind. I just wave them on past.

At least you won't have to worry about snow getting in them and blocking the light, lol.

This thread is so stupid, and what is completely wrong with people. He could've bragged about the Halogen without acting like he is the best driver to ever grace the highways. Maybe they are brighter than his last car. All I know is, I have the LED's and I can see farther and better than any vehicle I've ever owned. They look better and I feel safer being able to see that much better. Plus I have a better chance of people seeing me and not pulling out in front of me. This guy is a complete tool looking for attention. This thread did exactly what he wanted it to do.

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[tomk62]

At least you won't have to worry about snow getting in them and blocking the light, lol.

So true! For the rare snow we do get, the heat from the open flame keeps them from icing over. I'm finding though that it's a real PITA to keep the LPG tank full, thinking of switching to candles with a fresnel lens, like the old lighthouses.

 

[jellis4148]

You could put a light in the center that turns with the steering wheel like the Tuckers did. I'm sure everyone would love that. Halogen though, not LED. Wouldn't want to see too far with the lights.

 

[thance]

I was disappointed with the factory halogens and struggling to see far ahead in the dark, so yes I was driving slower to not outrun the lights as the op put it. I don't consider that an ideal solution, so I upgraded to led bulbs and adjusted the beams down a little to not blind oncoming drivers, couldn't be happier. So you can save money and still see;-)

 

[AFD]

Also too if we're talking about brightness of LEDs, you have to take into account how much wattage the factory harness will provide to LED headlights. Just because they sell them and say they will produce so many lumens, doesn't mean the Wrangler is capable of reaching that number.

You need to go in and look at the LED chip stats and see how many lumens the LED chip produces per watt of electricity.

A lot of these LED bulbs out there say they will produce 180,000 lumens as a pair at 360 watts, but the Wrangler can only provide 90 Watts I believe, so just certain extent it doesn't matter which LED bulb you get they will all be maxed out at about the same point. The real difference becomes those chips in each bulb, and how much lumens they produce per watt. Cuz that's the end of the day you might only get an extra couple hundred lumens out of a better quality chip. But it kind of becomes a wash to a certain extent.

I don't know, just my two cents from years of LED purchases and research.

180,000 at 360W?? ?

Find it very hard to believe that any singular Chinese LED bulb is pushing 90,000 lumen (even raw), when the factory and aftermarket JL sealed LED headlight units are barely pushing 1,500 measured lumen at 50W. Heck, even the specialty $400 Acebeam flashlights (that require either gloves or a separate handle due to heat) are just now pushing 45,000 (for only 30 second bursts!) and some of the large 50"+ higher-powered Rigid bars costing thousands of dollars are barely breaking 80k raw at 450W for the entire unit. A single Morimoto 2Stroke bulb (~$100 each) puts out 2,600 lumen at 25W, which sounds about right for a modern high-performance LED bulb in that form-factor.

I'm sure a lot of those no-name LED bulbs on Alibaba, Amazon and eBay are actually pretty nice for the money and the tech is still improving every year, but some of the wild numbers they claim are pure science fiction. 360W as a "halogen equivalent" number might be more accurate, since I've seen a lot of household LED bulbs pull that shit when claiming numbers comparable to incandescent (ie, a "100W" Philips LED bulb is only drawing 8 to 15W max, but puts out lighting equivalent to a 100W incandescent bulb).

 

[Deleted User 38384]

180,000 at 360W?? ?

Find it very hard to believe that any singular Chinese LED bulb is pushing 90,000 lumen (even raw), when the factory and aftermarket JL sealed LED headlight units are barely pushing 1,500 measured lumen at 50W. Heck, even the specialty $400 Acebeam flashlights (that require either gloves or a separate handle due to heat) are just now pushing 45,000 (for only 30 second bursts!) and some of the large 50"+ higher-powered Rigid bars costing thousands of dollars are barely breaking 80k raw at 450W for the entire unit. A single Morimoto 2Stroke bulb (~$100 each) puts out 2,600 lumen at 25W, which sounds about right for a modern high-performance LED bulb in that form-factor.

I'm sure a lot of those no-name LED bulbs on Alibaba, Amazon and eBay are actually pretty nice for the money and the tech is still improving every year, but some of the wild numbers they claim are pure science fiction. 360W as a "halogen equivalent" number might be more accurate, since I've seen a lot of household LED bulbs pull that shit when claiming numbers comparable to incandescent (ie, a "100W" Philips LED bulb is only drawing 8 to 15W max, but puts out lighting equivalent to a 100W incandescent bulb).

Yeah I agree, that's why you see a lot of the legit sites and companies here stateside don't actually list the quality of the bulbs they have nor the lumens produced. It's such a potentially questionable way to advertise your product. It's always better to talk about how effective it is lighting the road, and it's cooling capabilities and no canbus adapter needed.

Like I was saying in my posts above, pretty much all the H13 LED bulbs out there have relatively the same results. The difference between the quality of the product you are buying is so minor in most cases that it's not really worth spending the extra $50 when you can get basically the same thing from the manufacturer for $10 or less.

I mean companies like LasFit more than likely have their products made in China. I think I might have even found their manufacturer. Though I don't really know for sure unless they were to confirm it, which I don't see why they would want to given how there's such a negative view on things made in China around here.

But that being said, why anybody in their right mind would want to spend $70 on a product that's made in China when you can buy it basically the same thing from China for $12, is beyond me. ? ?‍

 

[AFD]

Yeah I agree, that's why you see a lot of the legit sites and companies here stateside don't actually list the quality of the bulbs they have nor the lumens produced. It's such a potentially questionable way to advertise your product. It's always better to talk about how effective it is lighting the road, and it's cooling capabilities and no canbus adapter needed.

Like I was saying in my posts above, pretty much all the H13 LED bulbs out there have relatively the same results. The difference between the quality of the product you are buying is so minor in most cases that it's not really worth spending the extra $50 when you can get basically the same thing from the manufacturer for $10 or less.

I mean companies like LasFit more than likely have their products made in China. I think I might have even found their manufacturer. Though I don't really know for sure unless they were to confirm it, which I don't see why they would want to given how there's such a negative view on things made in China around here.

But that being said, why anybody in their right mind would want to spend $70 on a product that's made in China when you can buy it basically the same thing from China for $12, is beyond me. ? ?‍

Afaik, even the big name brand lighting manufacturers in the US all have their products built in China. Biggest difference imo is the additional support and warranty you'd be getting, though at a fraction of the price, you could just buy multiples of the no-name products and come out the same. Plus, you can't really brag about spending a nice chunk of change on a set of Chinfinion off-road lamps without getting laughed at by your friends. So I'm sure some of it is simply status.

And yeah, a company not advertising their specs at all is just as bad as one claiming ridiculous numbers.

 

[drvn]

the factory halogens light up the road just fine. If you don't over drive your headlights like you were supposed to be taught in drivers education, you will have no issues seeing what is necessary in front

The LEDs for the Jeep as well as many other manufacturers are way too bright for oncoming 2 lane roads. I damn near have to squint as they drive by in the dark.

 

[cosmokenney]

Drove our 2023 JLU in the dark last night for the first time. I ordered the Wrangler without the LED lighting. No regrets, the factory halogens light up the road just fine. If you don't over drive your headlights like you were supposed to be taught in drivers education, you will have no issues seeing what is necessary in front, or to the side of you. Also living in a snowy State, I don't have issues with snow/ice building up on the lights. I have been driving for over 45 years, and never had an issue driving at night without the aid of LED lighting. I spent the $1200.00 Jeep would have charged me for factory LEDs, and bought lots of accessories I actually got use out of. When it comes to off-roading, that's a different scenerio than normal street driving, which is all I do.

True story: On my way home from the dealership the day I picked up my new 2 door, I almost hit a deer I couldn't see while driving at the 35 MPH speed limit in a rural area. The next day I ordered LED lights.

 

[ecidiego]

The LEDs for the Jeep as well as many other manufacturers are way too bright for oncoming 2 lane roads. I damn near have to squint as they drive by in the dark.

The factory LEDs have an absolute precision cutoff. If they're aimed correctly they will not blind anyone .

 

[flyer92]

Drove our 2023 JLU in the dark last night for the first time. I ordered the Wrangler without the LED lighting. No regrets, the factory halogens light up the road just fine. If you don't over drive your headlights like you were supposed to be taught in drivers education, you will have no issues seeing what is necessary in front, or to the side of you. Also living in a snowy State, I don't have issues with snow/ice building up on the lights. I have been driving for over 45 years, and never had an issue driving at night without the aid of LED lighting. I spent the $1200.00 Jeep would have charged me for factory LEDs, and bought lots of accessories I actually got use out of. When it comes to off-roading, that's a different scenerio than normal street driving, which is all I do.

Agree 100%. I don't even have any complaints with them off road either, although I drive mostly on open desert or trails. Don't see myself trying to negotiate boulders or rock gardens at night. Other benefit, is that nobody really steals halogen lights, although LEDs are an easy/popular target for thieves. While LEDs obviously put out more light and look cool, the potential hassle of theft, long supply chain delays, and Jeep being night-uncapable for days/weeks/months, etc., is just not worth the hassle and headache. To each his/her own, though...even though LEDs don't fit my use case, I can understand why people like them.

 

[drvn]

The factory LEDs have an absolute precision cutoff. If they're aimed correctly they will not blind anyone .

Theory vs Reality.
That is under the assumption that the road is flat....which it frequently is not. Any mild undulations and oncoming drivers get it

 

[AFD]

Theory vs Reality.
That is under the assumption that the road is flat....which it frequently is not. Any mild undulations and oncoming drivers get it

Plus dirt, scuff, scratches, snow/ice and the obligatory dried bug guts.

The very same day I boasted here about rarely getting flashed for my factory LEDs, I was flashed a few times cause of some rain that must've been sticking to the lenses (cleaned them earlier that day and rarely do get flashed otherwise).

 

[73TAWM]

"If you don't over drive your headlights like you were supposed to be taught in drivers education, you will have no issues seeing what is necessary in front, or to the side of you."

Pardon my ignorance, but what the hell does this even mean? I'm going to be the only 50 year old in the drivers ed class now, saying "teach me not to over drive my headlights please".

 

[Megawatt]

This is my new Jeep mod because I didn’t need the superior LED’s. I never outdrive my headlights anymore.

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