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[Zandcwhite]

Unless you don't have a place to charge or can't afford a model that has the range you need.

That's a massive chunk of the population currently.

And EVs are not "fully matured". They have comparatively primitive energy storage tech...this is just the "first draft" of what EVs will become. They are limited, and full of issues. That will change very quickly in the coming decades. By comparison small turbo engines are extremely mature and will not see that level of advancement.

400 mile range, almost double what I get in the Jeep. Quickest production vehicle ever made in the model s plaid. Quickest production truck. 26+ million vehicles to date. Tesla has been in production since 2008, how can you call it a 1st draft after 16 years? Nowhere to charge? Are you Amish? Nearly every house has electricity, almost no homes have gas pumps. There are EV charging stations at every major exit off the freeway these days for those who live in high density housing and can't charge at home. The bigger the urban area as far as high density housing, the more you'll see EV chargers in my experience. Most every mall, major shopping center, etc has charging stations these days. Yes, if you choose to you absolutely can run an EV these days. The cheaper models are right in line with the average vehicle price. I guess the future is here?

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[TheRaven]

I think it's worth pointing out that the torque converter efficiency is not good when unlocked... actual geared reduction is a more efficient way of transferring power.

Yup and the more unlocked it is (the higher the multiplication ratio) the more inefficient it is...which is ANOTHER reason why stock vehicles converters are designed to reach coupling speed very quickly. As opposed to say, a car built for drag racing that is always "launched" at much higher RPMs. Additionally, those built vehicles need A TON of trans cooling to compensate for all the heat generated during slippage.

400 mile range, almost double what I get in the Jeep. Quickest production vehicle ever made in the model s plaid. Quickest production truck. 26+ million vehicles to date. Tesla has been in production since 2008, how can you call it a 1st draft after 16 years? Nowhere to charge? Are you Amish? Nearly every house has electricity, almost no homes have gas pumps. There are EV charging stations at every major exit off the freeway these days for those who live in high density housing and can't charge at home. The bigger the urban area as far as high density housing, the more you'll see EV chargers in my experience. Most every mall, major shopping center, etc has charging stations these days. Yes, if you choose to you absolutely can run an EV these days. The cheaper models are right in line with the average vehicle price. I guess the future is here?

Ok first, Tesla is a disaster. Yes they build neat EVs but they are far from mature, even after 15 years. I'm pretty sure you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

Second, all "homes" have electricity but not all "homes" have parking. "Homes" don't need gas pumps because no matter where you are, there's one right down the street. Charging stations are still very rare and as a result the ones that do exist experience very high traffic which often makes them unusable for anyone who didn't get there first.

No, there is a very large part of the population for whom EVs are just not an option.

 

[yokramer]

400 mile range, almost double what I get in the Jeep. Quickest production vehicle ever made in the model s plaid. Quickest production truck. 26+ million vehicles to date. Tesla has been in production since 2008, how can you call it a 1st draft after 16 years? Nowhere to charge? Are you Amish? Nearly every house has electricity, almost no homes have gas pumps. There are EV charging stations at every major exit off the freeway these days for those who live in high density housing and can't charge at home. The bigger the urban area as far as high density housing, the more you'll see EV chargers in my experience. Most every mall, major shopping center, etc has charging stations these days. Yes, if you choose to you absolutely can run an EV these days. The cheaper models are right in line with the average vehicle price. I guess the future is here?

Our town of 111k has 46 charging stations, with like 8 of them being in town.

 

[Sean L]

Ok first, Tesla is a disaster. Yes they build neat EVs but they are far from mature, even after 15 years. I'm pretty sure you and I are going to have to agree to disagree on that one.

I'm curious as to what you would define as a "mature" EV?

 

[yokramer]

I'm curious as to what you would define as a "mature" EV?

Clearly one from the "future"

 

[Terrymo]

See? @Terrymo - this is the point where I always stop.

True…you stopped for a total of three minutes and posted…again. Unless you have multiple personality disorder it takes you and at least one other person to continue an argument. So clearly you’re getting something out of continuing.

 

[grimmjeeper]

Charging stations are still very rare and as a result the ones that do exist experience very high traffic which often makes them unusable for anyone who didn't get there first.

I hate to tell you but your information is significantly outdated. The numbers of charging stations has exploded in the last few years. And sure, some are in congested areas with significant traffic. And there are other non-trivial issues that show up here and there. But we've reached critical mass unless you live out in the middle of nowhere.

 

[TheRaven]

Our town of 111k has 46 charging stations, with like 8 of them being in town.

I live in a suburban area in between two cities about an hour apart. My commute, to one of those cities, is 42 minutes. I do not encounter a public charger until I am 3 minutes from my office...and there are three at that site. From home, I have to drive 25 minutes in the other direction before I get to a public charger. There are several large charging stations in both of those cities, but all of those options are at least 30 minutes from home. I just checked PlugShare to make sure i'm not missing anything new.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Our town of 111k has 46 charging stations, with like 8 of them being in town.

And how many of those 111k can easily change in their garage or driveway? I'm guessing maybe 3 farmers can gas up at home? Personally I wouldn't own an EV if I couldn't charge it at home, but for many that isn't a deal breaker. Obviously here in the bay area it is not remotely a concern. Most major businesses have chargers in their parking garage. Schools all have them. Hotels, apartment complexes, public parking garages, etc are adding them. Not going to say for certain that none of this exists in NC, but these privately owned chargers often don't show up on a search as they aren't part of xyz's company network.

 

[yokramer]

And how many of those 111k can easily change in their garage or driveway? I'm guessing maybe 3 farmers can gas up at home? Personally I wouldn't own an EV if I couldn't charge it at home, but for many that isn't a deal breaker. Obviously here in the bay area it is not remotely a concern. Most major businesses have chargers in their parking garage. Schools all have them. Hotels, apartment complexes, public parking garages, etc are adding them. Not going to say for certain that none of this exists in NC, but these privately owned chargers often don't show up on a search as they aren't part of xyz's company network.

Oh Im with you on this one. If you want an EV having one isnt an issue you can find places and time to charge it, we are also like 30-45mins from Charlotte so if your commute is there you get even more public charging.

 

[TheRaven]

Obviously here in the bay area it is not remotely a concern.

Ok so you live in one of the most EV-ready places in the country. That would explain your view.

 

[yokramer]

I live in a suburban area in between two cities about an hour apart. My commute, to one of those cities, is 42 minutes. I do not encounter a public charger until I am 3 minutes from my office...and there are three at that site. From home, I have to drive 25 minutes in the other direction before I get to a public charger. There are several large charging stations in both of those cities, but all of those options are at least 30 minutes from home. I just checked PlugShare to make sure i'm not missing anything new.

Sounds like something to take up with your local government and infrastructure planning commissions.

 

[grimmjeeper]

I live in a suburban area in between two cities about an hour apart. My commute, to one of those cities, is 42 minutes. I do not encounter a public charger until I am 3 minutes from my office...and there are three at that site. From home, I have to drive 25 minutes in the other direction before I get to a public charger. There are several large charging stations in both of those cities, but all of those options are at least 30 minutes from home. I just checked PlugShare to make sure i'm not missing anything new.

Do you know what the plural of "anecdote" is?

I can tell you it's not "data".

 

[TheRaven]

Sounds like something to take up with your local government and infrastructure planning commissions.

Already being done my friend, already being done. As with all areas of the country that aren't a major city, this stuff takes time and a ton of money.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I live in a suburban area in between two cities about an hour apart. My commute, to one of those cities, is 42 minutes. I do not encounter a public charger until I am 3 minutes from my office...and there are three at that site. From home, I have to drive 25 minutes in the other direction before I get to a public charger. There are several large charging stations in both of those cities, but all of those options are at least 30 minutes from home. I just checked PlugShare to make sure i'm not missing anything new.

Why would you live in the suburbs and commute 42 minutes if you can't even afford a place with parking? The less urban the area you live, the more likely you can charge at home... while you sleep. I wish I could do that with gas. Sure, if you live in an urban area charging at home might be out... but the bus you ride probably has a parking place with chargers anyway.

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