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[3TV]

Jeep is having a sales slump. So, ... make plans to drop the best engine (392), actually do drop the 2nd best engine (diesel), Then make plans to drop the 4th best engine for effectively most Wrangler buyers. Hey, keeping the 3rd best engine is viable. Sheeple are ok with 3rd best. That should help sales.

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[2nd 392]

They're pretty damn rare. Porsche 911 GT3 putting out 500hp? Nissan Frontier at 310hp?

Hmmm- throwing a $243K Porsche in, well yeah, the attorney in me says it qualifies as a “who else”.
Hey, let’s go for it, I think Ferrari still has it’s NA V12. No idea what they cost, “if you have to ask you can’t afford it” applies, yes, I had to look up the Porsche’s price.

 

[NWJeepr]

I got the manual so I didn't have a choice. But why can't Jeep pair a 2L T with a Manual? Personally I drove inline 4s in several cars (turboless) and was happy to have a V6 when I got the Wrangler. But all I really wanted was to shift gears. To me personally it's why my Jeep feels like a Jeep when I'm driving it. But how about the new straight 6? That'd be my preference if it came with the manual. I think Jeep (Stalantis) is trying to get rid of both, manuals and the Pentastar.

Because FCA/Stella decided to source one manual trans from Aisin, and word on the street is that it won't actually hold up behind a 2.0.

Stella should have kept the Daimler-sourced NSG370 which was basically designed for medium duty trucks.

 

[JLEdCeD]

C’mon guys, it’s the same every year. When they release the first guide of the new year model, not every past option is included. It’s happen last year with the 35 tire package and the 2.0 motor. Remember in 2024 when the RUBICON was the only with the option of the v6 and the 35 tire package? Eventually they offer the v6 in the Willys too. Wait until February or march, I bet the v6 comes back with the auto transmission. Then by this time everybody going to be desperate asking for the 2026 model…

 

[grimmjeeper]

Because FCA/Stella decided to source one manual trans from Aisin, and word on the street is that it won't actually hold up behind a 2.0.

Stella should have kept the Daimler-sourced NSG370 which was basically designed for medium duty trucks.

It's a weaker transmission as well. Not really suited to a lot of power either.

The AX15 is a much stronger/better design than all of them.

 

[NWJeepr]

It's a weaker transmission as well. Not really suited to a lot of power either.

The AX15 is a much stronger/better design than all of them.

The NSG was a good trans in the JK. As its last 3 digits denote, it's good for 370 lb-ft. There are versions for 400+ and the NSG has an additional (6th) gear over the AX15.

The NSG is something that (in theory) could have been put behind the 2.0 and the updated 3.6 with predictable results.

Why FCA went with the current AL6 befuddles me. Even if it were made to be strong, the gear ratios aren't what we had with the NSG...

 

[grimmjeeper]

The NSG was a good trans in the JK. As its last 3 digits denote, it's good for 370 lb-ft. There are versions for 400+ and the NSG has an additional (6th) gear over the AX15.

The NSG is something that (in theory) could have been put behind the 2.0 and the updated 3.6 with predictable results.

Why FCA went with the current AL6 befuddles me. Even if it were made to be strong, the gear ratios aren't what we had with the NSG...

The AX15 stands up just fine to V8 power and last for a long time. The NSG370 may be able to handle that torque but just barely.

And the gap from first to overdrive is pretty close between the two. The 370 just has a shorter distance between gears, which isn't that much of a benefit.

There's a lot of good reasons why the aftermarket is huge for the AX15 and not so much for the NSG370.

No idea why they changed it for the JL. But at least it isn't the Peugeot BA10/5.

 

[Remorseless]

Why FCA went with the current AL6 befuddles me. Even if it were made to be strong, the gear ratios aren't what we had with the NSG...

No idea why they changed it for the JL. But at least it isn't the Peugeot BA10/5.

Like any corporate decision, this one's likely easy and simple - cost and availability to meet scale.

 

[Seemego4WD]

And last summer when I wanted to 2L turbo with the auto I couldn’t get it.

 

[Pig-Pen]

I got the manual so I didn't have a choice. But why can't Jeep pair a 2L T with a Manual?

because FCA didnt want to be responsible for all the potential death and destruction due to the brute power of the turbo. they learned their lesson from all the viper owners who crashed their cars on the way home from the dealership. never again fredo, never again.....

and just think about all the teenage boys who would sneak out at night with their parents 2 door manual transmission TURBO wranglers and go to the local street races after watching F&F19 on cable tv again. doing donuts while mowing down bystanders at late night take overs. FCA's lawyers put the kibosh on that real quick! they, are the real heroes.

 

[2nd 392]

because FCA didnt want to be responsible for all the potential death and destruction due to the brute power of the turbo. they learned their lesson from all the viper owners who crashed their cars on the way home from the dealership. never again fredo, never again.....

and just think about all the teenage boys who would sneak out at night with their parents 2 door manual transmission TURBO wranglers and go to the local street races after watching F&F19 on cable tv again. doing donuts while mowing down bystandersp at late night take overs. FCA's lawyers put the kibosh on that real quick! they, are the real heroes.

Pssst— I managed to do a couple pretty good lawn jobs with the 60 HP 3A ~ 55 years ago.
Never underestimate what teenagers are capable of accomplishing .
FCA has legitimate concerns

 

[T.Pigott]

because FCA didnt want to be responsible for all the potential death and destruction due to the brute power of the turbo. they learned their lesson from all the viper owners who crashed their cars on the way home from the dealership. never again fredo, never again.....

and just think about all the teenage boys who would sneak out at night with their parents 2 door manual transmission TURBO wranglers and go to the local street races after watching F&F19 on cable tv again. doing donuts while mowing down bystanders at late night take overs. FCA's lawyers put the kibosh on that real quick! they, are the real heroes.

I can't disagree with that. I knew someone in the 90s that dropped a small block 350 into a Fiero as a project to keep him busy. After it was finished he sold it to a man that gave it to his 16 year old that promptly totaled it. But how do you explain the 392? Jeep must not care that much. I get that average people can't handle a powerful engine mated to a manual. But Jeeps aren't BMWs. I guess we're always going to live in the nany state.

 

[2nd 392]

I can't disagree with that. I knew someone in the 90s that dropped a small block 350 into a Fiero as a project to keep him busy. After it was finished he sold it to a man that gave it to his 16 year old that promptly totaled it. But how do you explain the 392? Jeep must not care that much. I get that average people can't handle a powerful engine mated to a manual. But Jeeps aren't BMWs. I guess we're always going to live in the nany state.

The 392 is a puttytat in a JLU- long, wide, heavy, excellent steering and handling for a SFA.
Two of my fathers friends swapped Chevys, one a Ford into their Jeeps. I swapped an L79- Muncie from a wrecked Vette into my 63.
Last upgrade full build Blown, a thrill ride.
The 392 is a bit under powered by Pwr—Wt.

well

until the warranty expires

 

[arnie_mueller]

I gotta say: @yokramer and @Remorseless were right about the turbo. It sounds like shit, but it’s peppy as fuck. I live at 7,000 feet and the difference between it and the Pentastar is startling.

Ditto. Except when it's hot outside and I have to drive up I-70. If it's over 90 degrees, I'm overheating to 260 degrees and forced to hit the right lane at 55mph. Stealership said, "everything is fine". I'm certain it's heat soak, this little turbo motor runs hot.

Oh well.

 

[NWJeepr]

The AX15 stands up just fine to V8 power and last for a long time. The NSG370 may be able to handle that torque but just barely.

There's a lot of good reasons why the aftermarket is huge for the AX15 and not so much for the NSG370.

The NSG370 has a higher torque rating than the AX15, right?

370 versus ??? (my guess would be about 300 or 330, given what a 5.9 was putting out, 20 years ago?)

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