Jeep's Future Plans...

[HipCheck]

Cheap gas? Where's that?

$3.19 here, give or take.

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[MayThe4x4BWU]

I knew from the start that the silly branding of "Wagoneer" at Jeep dealerships was a mistake. There's nothing "luxury" about a Jeep dealership experience ?

Why the heck they thought putting a $100k+ brand inside Jeep dealerships was going to make them anything but JEEP dealerships is comical.

I question what of the Mopar makes will be left with all the tinkering and shuffling they've been doing over the past few years.

I think Jeep is heading in a bad direction if the EV cooldown continues, given all the money Stellantis is throwing into electrifying their fleet and lithium mining investments. The Recon and Wagoneer S could become costly gambles if interest rates continue to hover where they are and buyers continue to cool the market of EV offerings...at least in the short term.

But with makes like Ford already cutting production on their F-150 Lightning pickups, Tesla ready to cut 10% of its global workforce (due to sagging sales) by the end of this year...who knows what the future will be.

 

[Wbino]

Most car companies (including Jeep) have to give most of their profits to Wall St instead of reinvesting it into product improvements.
It wasn't always that way.

 

[Radioman]

It's already here...

$5.70 for regular today in Roseville, CA

 

[4xFUN]

$5.70 for regular today in Roseville, CA

Damn!!! I would love to say more but...

 

[BXFXJeep]

I hear charging stations themselves are failing in cold climates. I definitely wouldn’t be driving an EV in Toronto. If I sold my Jeep, I’d probably jump over to a Land Cruiser. Reminds me of the FJ. I wonder how the iforce will hold up long term.

I absolutely love my 21 GC Summit Hemi though.

I'm hoping I can get many many more years out of my 4xe, perhaps 10+ years, electric system has a 10 yr warranty, it's my best Wrangler yet, and I really enjoy driving it. My 2dr 2007 JK I got close to 10 years zero issues, never went back to the dealership for any problem.

My only concern is, in the past I never had to take any of my previous Wranglers back to the dealership, that's not the case with this 4xe, they have to do software patches etc, and Jeep seems to be the least competent when it comes to service and maintenance.

There is a lot of mythology about EVs, the infrastructure is definitely very flakey and unreliable, so individual people need to know their situation, and for the most part that only matters if you have limited charging options, which typically affect high mileage drivers, or long distance travel, for the most part Tesla has reliable chargers for long distance travel, however I don't really do long distance driving anymore, or rack up high mileage.

I'm not exactly interested in paying $6+ a gallon for gas when I can get electricity for cheap to free, around me there are a lot of charging options, people that have a house with a 120 outlet also wouldn't have issues charging.

This is Canada the government and majority of people want high gas prices, and to ban gas cars.

 

[BXFXJeep]

$5.70 for regular today in Roseville, CA

California where the ban on gas cars is in full swing isn't reflective of the rest of the US.

Also you have to factor in the price of electricity, so cheap gas vs expensive electricity doesn't make sense for a lot of people, then the price of an expensive EV, and a whole lot of other factors which make EVs undesirable for many people.

EVs is also mostly a rich Western thing, the rest of the world don't have access to reliable electricity. Probably one of the reasons companies like Honda, Toyota etc who sell vehicles worldwide have a different strategy than companies like Jeep/Stellantis who's market is the rich West.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

In my opinion, there will be no full "transition" or "pivot" to full electric vehicles. There will always be a place and a need for gas and diesel powered vehicles.

Regardless, the electric power production and delivery infrastructure needs to be completely updated and modernized. Also, battery tech needs to make some kind of major leap.

I don't see electric vehicles any better for the environment on a macro level, they are perhaps even worse.

In my opinion, forcing EVs through regulation is a political driven punishment of the oil and gas industry.

I read and hear comparisons of the transition to the "horse and buggy" era. Horses were used on a regular basis well into the 20th century for transportation, to pull freight wagons and for farming. It wasn't until after WWII that so many consumer goods could be produced cheaply due to the advancement of tech and massive factory capacity, that it was no longer economically feasible to use horses. People didn't all send their horses to the glue factory in 1900. The government never banned or outlawed them.

I read yesterday that Filosa stated that they are going to offer gas engine versions of the Recon and Wagoneer S. That makes a whole lot of sense given how EV sales as a whole are not anywhere near where they need to be to get close to providing a return on investment. Also, the Charger, which was intended to be all electric, is now also going to have a gas engine option.

Anyone thinking that US new vehicle sales will be 100% electric by 2035 shouldn't hold their breath. I'm going to guess the the EU will see the writing on the wall soon enough too.

 

[Ol’ Timey Manual SWB Guy]

IMHO,” regen” is a superior technology to friction (i.e., friction only) braking at the wheel discs, especially for stop-and-go scenarios to include both urban commutes and rural trails. Also, nothing beats the torque of an electric motor: think about a freight train or a particularly long escalator. That’s why they use the Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS) for Formula 1 racecars too.

So, personally, I’ve come to believe that 48v “mild hybridity” wins in genpop vehicles until perhaps 2040.

With that personal bias in mind, IMHO Filosa also unfortunately inherits the premature failure of Stellantis with eTorque. I believe Stellantis should’ve fought-through all the legit engineering (and dealer training) teething problems, because I personally believe that ubiquitous, simple, transparent-to-the-driver 48v hybridity makes the most sense for a great many vehicles. It solves any range, mileage, ESS, performance, weight, supply chain, EV infrastructure, CO2, safety, and learning curve issues all at once.

 

[agpr2016]

A 4 by 4 two door vehicle with removable tops and doors is non negotiable for my next vehicle...that kind of just leaves me with Jeep cx

If I just wanted a 4 by 4 I'd definitely get a 4runner.

How was your experience with the 4runner vs the Jeep?

 

[agpr2016]

In my opinion, there will be no full "transition" or "pivot" to full electric vehicles. There will always be a place and a need for gas and diesel powered vehicles.

Regardless, the electric power production and delivery infrastructure needs to be completely updated and modernized. Also, battery tech needs to make some kind of major leap.

I don't see electric vehicles any better for the environment on a macro level, they are perhaps even worse.

In my opinion, forcing EVs through regulation is a political driven punishment of the oil and gas industry.

I read and hear comparisons of the transition to the "horse and buggy" era. Horses were used on a regular basis well into the 20th century for transportation, to pull freight wagons and for farming. It wasn't until after WWII that so many consumer goods could be produced cheaply due to the advancement of tech and massive factory capacity, that it was no longer economically feasible to use horses. People didn't all send their horses to the glue factory in 1900. The government never banned or outlawed them.

I read yesterday that Filosa stated that they are going to offer gas engine versions of the Recon and Wagoneer S. That makes a whole lot of sense given how EV sales as a whole are not anywhere near where they need to be to get close to providing a return on investment. Also, the Charger, which was intended to be all electric, is now also going to have a gas engine option.

Anyone thinking that US new vehicle sales will be 100% electric by 2035 shouldn't hold their breath. I'm going to guess the the EU will see the writing on the wall soon enough too.

I agree with everything you said.

 

[agpr2016]

I hear charging stations themselves are failing in cold climates. I definitely wouldn’t be driving an EV in Toronto. If I sold my Jeep, I’d probably jump over to a Land Cruiser. Reminds me of the FJ. I wonder how the iforce will hold up long term.

I absolutely love my 21 GC Summit Hemi though.

If you sold your jeep, would you consider a new 4runer instead of a land cruiser?

 

[Punkn89]

If you sold your jeep, would you consider a new 4runer instead of a land cruiser?

Not sure, I would have to take it on a test drive that really pushes its limits.

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