Jeep Values - Massive Decline

[NWJeepr]

This is one of the many indicators that jeep buyers, and maybe the general public, are getting dumber and less thoughtful about their decisions.

I don't think it's dumber/less thoughtful. I think credit is available to everyone, and that lowers the barrier to entry for so many goods and services. Credit enables decision making that was already present, but locked out due to lack of resources. Also, the internet. Literally anyone can be here, but it wasn't that way 30 years ago.

There's also a propensity for elderly people to view society and younger generations very negatively. It's because American culture doesn't value elderly people like they should be, so there's this distancing effect where elderly people see themselves outside/beyond most of what is happening in the world.

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[Twisted10]

And there’s at least one thread a month with a poll for all those questions…because you know, look at me, I’m important. I’m the one asking the question this time and I can’t be bothered to read. Then again I’m just a bitter old man.

 

[Dusty Dude]

For most of us, purchasing a four-wheel drive vehicle involved a thoughtful balancing process. In the 70s we almost never saw suburban housewives driving Jeeps or 4-door pickup trucks. In my part of the country “six pack” trucks, were purchased almost exclusively by large farm families and logging companies. Now they’re all yuppie mobiles, and many of the buyers know nothing about how they work. I suspect a majority of the 4-wheel drive vehicles have never even been in 4-wheel drive.

Functionality of trucks changed from hauling equipment/materials to hauling people. Disgusting if you ask me.

Does anyone make an 8 foot bed anymore?

 

[Twisted10]

I don't think it's dumber/less thoughtful. I think credit is available to everyone, and that lowers the barrier to entry for so many goods and services. Credit enables decision making that was already present, but locked out due to lack of resources. Also, the internet. Literally anyone can be here, but it wasn't that way 30 years ago.

There's also a propensity for elderly people to view society and younger generations very negatively. It's because American culture doesn't value elderly people like they should be, so there's this distancing effect where elderly people see themselves outside/beyond most of what is happening in the world.

its not that we dont value elderly people. a lot of us are just sick of their shit. im not exactly "young" either.

 

[Punkn89]

Does anyone make an 8 foot bed anymore?

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Functionality of trucks changed from hauling equipment/materials to hauling people. Disgusting if you ask me.

Does anyone make an 8 foot bed anymore?

You can still buy a new F150 regular cab with an 8' bed. I think GM still offers a regular cab 1500 with an 8' bed. Of course, all 2500/3500 series offer 8' beds with all cab configurations.

 

[Twisted10]

Functionality of trucks changed from hauling equipment/materials to hauling people. Disgusting if you ask me.

Does anyone make an 8 foot bed anymore?

yup they all do, see a lot more in the HD line than the soccer mom half tons

 

[siggy]

Agreed on all points (I remember my dad paying $14k for a brand new fully loaded Silverado in 1991). But that doesn't change the fact that Stellantis has increased MSRPs on Jeeps much faster and higher than the majority of competitors...and this is on a product that was already overpriced. That's the majority of their problem - and they have publicly admitted this much.

Perform your analysis on the Bronco and report back.

 

[JPAloha]

This is an apolitical thought. I am not expressing support, condemnation, or anything in between for proposed tariffs by the new administration that may raise what we pay for vehicles produced, at least in part in Canada or Mexico.

I leave my thoughts on this off the forum.

But what I will say is that if these tariffs are implemented and raise the prices of such vehicles then the same people in need of vehicles may be chasing a smaller affordable inventory across all manufacturers, and well, supply and demand being as apolitical as a pretty sunset, I am curious to see if that raises the cost of vehicles across the board.

Also trying to stick to this being my financial commentary rather than anything political, we’ll be watching with interest to see what happens to new and used Jeep prices local to us (Saskatchewan). A dramatic increase in US made vehicle prices and a less dramatic increase or, better yet, stable prices on other vehicles could see us offloading the wife’s 4xE Rubicon in favor of something like the new 4Runner (will see if this is made in Ontario as many Toyota vehicles are).
I’ll always keep my 2019 but can see it becoming our only Jeep instead of 1 of 3.

Trade wars are usually a lose-lose scenario, even without other factors that erode goodwill.

 

[Terrymo]

Also trying to stick to this being my financial commentary rather than anything political, we’ll be watching with interest to see what happens to new and used Jeep prices local to us (Saskatchewan). A dramatic increase in US made vehicle prices and a less dramatic increase or, better yet, stable prices on other vehicles could see us offloading the wife’s 4xE Rubicon in favor of something like the new 4Runner (will see if this is made in Ontario as many Toyota vehicles are).
I’ll always keep my 2019 but can see it becoming our only Jeep instead of 1 of 3.

Trade wars are usually a lose-lose scenario, even without other factors that erode goodwill.

Don’t worry, you’ll still be able to buy Corona beer in Canada I think.

 

[TheRaven]

Perform your analysis on the Bronco and report back.

Why? Are you planning on using the old "well other people break the law and get away with it so I should be allowed to also" trope?

 

[siggy]

Why? Are you planning on using the old "well other people break the law and get away with it so I should be allowed to also" trope?

Good news! This is a current trope! I like the tried and true refuting of your recent statement “But that doesn't change the fact that Stellantis has increased MSRPs on Jeeps much faster and higher than the majority of competitors...”

The Bronco is arguably the Wrangler’s biggest competitor. But please, enlighten us! And if you go comparing a Wrangler to a effing Prius or some other irrelevant comparison, I’ll send you a computer virus.

 

[Punkn89]

Perform your analysis on the Bronco and report back.

I will say I am seeing some steep discounts on Broncos around here and not as much on wranglers. For example, the one below which does come with a locking diff. I guess comparable would be a Willys? Also, looks like Ford is doing an extra $2k discount for “Jeep competitive conquest bonus cash”, ha!


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[TheRaven]

Good news! This is a current trope! I like the tried and true refuting of your recent statement “But that doesn't change the fact that Stellantis has increased MSRPs on Jeeps much faster and higher than the majority of competitors...”

The Bronco is arguably the Wrangler’s biggest competitor. But please, enlighten us! And if you go comparing a Wrangler to a effing Prius or some other irrelevant comparison, I’ll send you a computer virus.

Bronco sales are down too. The facts are the facts...Jeeps price increases have outpaced most automakers...so you can't blame it on inflation. Anyone who bought a JL before 2021 and has priced out a similar build now knows it, industry analysts know it, STELLANTIS KNOWS IT. Keep living in your fanboy world...just don't think that the rest of us are fooled.

 

[Whaler27]

I don't think it's dumber/less thoughtful. I think credit is available to everyone, and that lowers the barrier to entry for so many goods and services. Credit enables decision making that was already present, but locked out due to lack of resources. Also, the internet. Literally anyone can be here, but it wasn't that way 30 years ago.

There's also a propensity for elderly people to view society and younger generations very negatively. It's because American culture doesn't value elderly people like they should be, so there's this distancing effect where elderly people see themselves outside/beyond most of what is happening in the world.

Interesting theory, but I'm not buying it. First, credit has been available for dumb purchases since well before I turned 18. I made plenty of stupid purchases, including purchasing a Yamaha RD-400 that I financed through "Household Finance" at a crazy high interest rate, but I wasn't buying things I didn't understand or couldn't use. That's higher tier of dumb.

And I'm a baby-boomer, so guess I qualify as "elderly", but I don't feel excluded at all. I'm as involved as I want to be. I think that's true of most of us boomers.

I'll agree that age flavors perspectives in both accurate and inaccurate ways. Having said that, there's ample objective evidence of our population getting dumber. Our decline is evident in a majority of our incoming pool of job applicants who struggle to read, write, and reason through the same life basics their parents managed with ease. Our newest applicants struggle with the most basic math problems (eg: "How much farther can I go on 18 gallons of gas if my fuel economy improves from 12 mpg to 14 mpg?") Our decline is also evident in our literacy rates and our declining national standing on all levels of academic achievement. We spend much more and get much less. In the 50s, 60s, and 70s, the overwhelming majority of American high school graduates were prepared to enter military service or the job market. That's not true today.

Prior to about twenty years ago I had never heard a public school teacher or a TV newscaster speaking with awful English like, "I seen some seals at the shore", or "Him and I went to the coast to see the waves." Or, "How are we today. Are we ready to order?" or, "He gave Jim and I the assignment." I now routinely hear all of these errors -- from the people who are teaching our kids, modeling our new journalism standard, and raising our next generation. Meanwhile, many other countries are improving by most academic measures. Something is wrong here.

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