Hurricane Wrangler

[grimmjeeper]

And people with $60k Wranglers are still having to decide between putting gas in their rigs or buying eggs. That's what I read up above.

Who's ready for a $50,000 base Wrangler in 2027!? Bet it's still got the 3.6.

That's a consevative estimate.

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[JesseT]

Realistically they'll probably include it in the 2028 redesign.

I believe it comes out in the Rams either 2025 or 2026. More than likely they're going to do just like they did with the EcoDiesel... RAM owners will be the guinea pigs to work out all the bugs before we get it in the Wrangler.

Wait, when did all the bugs get worked out of the EcoDiesel engine?

 

[NWJeepr]

Wait, when did all the bugs get worked out of the EcoDiesel engine?

When they stopped putting it in the JT/JL.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

And people with $60k Wranglers are still having to decide between putting gas in their rigs or buying eggs. That's what I read up above.

Who's ready for a $50,000 base Wrangler in 2027!? Bet it's still got the 3.6.

Oh, a lot of people are going to continue driving their 5 year old and older cars because they can't afford a new payment double, when inflation and interest rates are factored in, of what they had a before. The monthly inflation driven budget grew 30-40% for many in the last few years, Maybe it doesn't affect you, but it does for many who buy popular priced vehicles. There are more than a few news articles in recent months about the backed up inventory on most car dealers lots, and their inability to sell them.

Most new cars are sold to people who live paycheck to paycheck. Yeah, some of them will buy a $60k Wrangler or pickup, but many have also decided not to. When people can't afford things, then sales drop. So, the law of supply and demand will have to take over, and most popular new vehicles will have to be reduced significantly to get people to sign the paperwork. Teslas, exotics, high end luxury vehicles, fleet vehicles and such will always sell. But I think we can all agree that the price of Wranglers, full size SUVs and pickup trucks has gotten into a price range that is out of reach for the average new car buyer. Is that by design?, some would argue so, more likely just a sign of the times. An election won't fix it. Unsound policy helped create it, sound policy may help fix it. Will we get that? I guess we shall see.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Wait, when did all the bugs get worked out of the EcoDiesel engine?

 

[NWJeepr]

Will we get that? I guess we shall see.

My money is on "nope".

The point about people in $60k Wranglers having to decide between buying gas or eggs IS the point. Maybe don't buy a $60k Wrangler before bitching about tough choices or the cost of living.

Even in 2023 when car sales started to cool off, Stellantis still took home a record $20 Billion in net profit. Policy ain't the problem.

What exactly are they doing with it? Also, $20 B is the reason I have zero sympathy for the company in 2024. They made the choices they will live with. If they only make $10 Billion in 2024, I'm sure some on here will cry for them and screech about how automotive regulations are so unfair.

 

[alphawolff]

I've been looking at dealership websites, for Ram 1500 pickup trucks. It seems all the 2025 models come with that engine, that I have seen. They are "Discounted" to around $45k-$55k. The engine numbers look good with 420hp, and 460 ft/lb . But, the tow ratings suck, at around 5,600 lbs. Maybe they got the numbers wrong, but this was on two sites. Now, I also looked up the acceleration times at 0-60, 4.4 sec, and quarter mile at 13.7 sec. That is screaming for a stock truck.

Where are all these issues with the engine being seen? Grand Waggoner? Ram 1500?
Can you link up any articles, for us to read about it?

Just the Wagoneers. The ram is only just now hitting lots. I saw my first one about a month ago.


Here's a screenshot for a 2024 Grand Wagoneer 3.0 SO's service library page:

Yes, that is five separate TSBs for PCM updates for 2024s alone. A single module update a year is normal for a problem, maybe two as most. Five indicates they're rapidly trying to address emerging issues. Reminder this engine has been in this platform for three years already. Seeing a bunch of updates in the first year is normal, but 3 years later? lol

 

[The Last Cowboy]

I'm glad our Wagoneer has a 5.7. Never a problem with it in over 2 years.

Seems more and more that auto manufacturers allow early adopters to be beta testers, with the attitude that issues will be taken care of under warranty.

 

[Dusty Dude]

And it’s not just Stellantis. And the automakers have to consider future actions and development that may ultimately hurt them or be a total waste of money should the political winds change again. That’s one of the reasons they’ve voluntarily agreed to stay the course.

Don’t matter anyway, the economy is gonna go to shit and cars won’t be selling, not with everything costing 200% more because of tariffs and nobody around to do basic labor. Lol

So I read a good portion of the voluntary settlement agreement you referenced, and there are so many loopholes in it that it is laughable. It basically amounted to “we will agree to leave things alone until we know what is going on”. Neither side wanted to continue paying lawyers fees, which is the total waste of money.

FYI, the economy has already gone to shit because of too much government spending.

I also don’t think everyone fully understands how the tariffs are going to be used. Blanket tariffs everywhere are bad, and the media has been falsely claiming that is how they will be used. No surprise there - they HATE this incoming administration.

Targeted tariffs are going to be used against countries with unfair trade practices. Once fair trade has been established, the tariff goes away. This does not make everything cost 200% more, it expands our access to other markets.

 

[grimmjeeper]

So I read a good portion of the voluntary settlement agreement you referenced, and there are so many loopholes in it that it is laughable. It basically amounted to “we will agree to leave things alone until we know what is going on”. Neither side wanted to continue paying lawyers fees, which is the total waste of money.

FYI, the economy has already gone to shit because of too much government spending.

I also don’t think everyone fully understands how the tariffs are going to be used. Blanket tariffs everywhere are bad, and the media has been falsely claiming that is how they will be used. No surprise there - they HATE this incoming administration.

Targeted tariffs are going to be used against countries with unfair trade practices. Once fair trade has been established, the tariff goes away. This does not make everything cost 200% more, it expands our access to other markets.

Who do you think pays those tarrifs until they can shift manufacturing? A task that will take years given how entangled our economies are.

 

[americonium]

I thought we was talkin' 'bout impossible I6 installs...

 

[grimmjeeper]

I thought we was talkin' 'bout impossible I6 installs...

First day on the internet? Threads go off topic all the time.

 

[Dusty Dude]

Who do you think pays those tarrifs until they can shift manufacturing? A task that will take years given how entangled our economies are.

The countries that are restricting our access to their markets. Trump tariffed China, and they paid us a lot of money to continue to have access here. Biden has kept every one of those tariffs in place. Manufacturing is a whole other subject…

 

[NWJeepr]

So I read a good portion of the voluntary settlement agreement you referenced, and there are so many loopholes in it that it is laughable. It basically amounted to “we will agree to leave things alone until we know what is going on”. Neither side wanted to continue paying lawyers fees, which is the total waste of money.

FYI, the economy has already gone to shit because of too much government spending.

I also don’t think everyone fully understands how the tariffs are going to be used. Blanket tariffs everywhere are bad, and the media has been falsely claiming that is how they will be used. No surprise there - they HATE this incoming administration.

Targeted tariffs are going to be used against countries with unfair trade practices. Once fair trade has been established, the tariff goes away. This does not make everything cost 200% more, it expands our access to other markets.

I think we do understand, and know better. Don't whine here when the price of Jeeps keeps going up and up. No automaker is going to scrap their long-range plans only to have to do an about-face when fuel economy regs change again here real soon.

 

[grimmjeeper]

The countries that are restricting our access to their markets. Trump tariffed China, and they paid us a lot of money to continue to have access here. Biden has kept every one of those tariffs in place. Manufacturing is a whole other subject…

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