Fumoto valve

[rickinAZ]

Femco is a much safer solution.

Safer in what way? I don't take my Jeep off-road, as I discuss in post #6 of this thread.

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[rickinAZ]

I just don't see the appeal. How long does it take to pull a drain plug, like 8 seconds?

If you can change your oil without spilling a drop, you're right. But...I've made some fairly good messes in the past. I could change my oil with the Fumoto over my living room rug without worrying. If you ever try one, you will be hooked for life. [your comment would indicate to me that you've likely never seen one in action.]

 

[jessedacri]

If you can change your oil without spilling a drop, you're right. But...I've made some fairly good messes in the past. I could change my oil with the Fumoto over my living room rug without worrying. If you ever try one, you will be hooked for life. [your comment would indicate to me that you've likely never seen one in action.]

Eh, I just don't want something that adds risk or complexity to what was otherwise simple and foolproof. Especially on a vehicle that travels over large boulders and other extreme terrain often - mine does, at least. I've got a skid down there but still, a fumoto seems like it'd be flush or awfully close to flush with the skid's access hole.

Different strokes - I can see this being convenient but not in my use case on a Jeep that gets wheeled.

 

[rickinAZ]

Eh, I just don't want something that adds risk or complexity to what was otherwise simple and foolproof. Especially on a vehicle that travels over large boulders and other extreme terrain often - mine does, at least. I've got a skid down there but still, a fumoto seems like it'd be flush or awfully close to flush with the skid's access hole.

Different strokes - I can see this being convenient but not in my use case on a Jeep that gets wheeled.

I was confused by your it-really-doesn't-save-time critique. The vulnerability concern is much more on point. In terms of speed and lack of spillage, the Fumoto makes the standard drain plug look like a 125 year old design - which it is.

 

[jeepdabest]

Femco is a much safer solution.

What are the differences?

 

[oceanblue2019]

Safer in what way? I don't take my Jeep off-road, as I discuss in post #6 of this thread.

A Fumoto you flick to open it. They do have a plastic safety clip to prevent that but over time they fall off. I've seen people use tie-wraps to keep them closed as well. But that is the issue - the fact that Fumoto makes such a safety should be the clue that failures do occur.

A femco valve has a valve that only opens when the drain fitting is installed. It also has a secondary cap incase the valve fails. This is all part of the design and not a add-on afterwards once failures occurred.

Same price, same install process.

 

[GtX]

I had a Femco on my Xterra that I wheeled the piss out of for 9 years but being IFS it was clad in 3/16 plate from nose to tail. Wasn't a vulnerable system exposed from underneath.

I have Fumoto on my Outback and WRX.

Not a single problem with any of them.

No idea what I'll do on my JLURD yet. At the rate I'm driving it the first oil change will be 2023. F'ing COVID.

 

[Ruri]

When I don’t have time to change my oil I bring it in. All my mechanics say thank you and the valve is awesome.

I don’t think some people making comments change their own oil because every oil plug pulled makes a mess on your hand or floor.

I’ve seen mechanics use a shit ton of gasket sealer because of cross threading the bolt or not using a new metal gasket. So yeah you can mess it up.

 

[MSteeves]

The "F106N" looks like the correct version, but I was hoping to hear from someone with first-hand experience.

I use a Fumoto F316L on our 2018 JLU. The Heep has a Mountain OffRoad Enterprises oil pan/transmission skid plate. Without the Fumoto (or some other such device) when you pull the standard drain plug the oil stream initially overshoots the access hole in the plate, hits the v-shaped baffle, swirls around it, and fills the backside of the plate with dirty oil. Which then drains all over the deck. Note that the 316L has a ninety degree angle. To this, I have attached a short piece of heavy clear tubing of the same kind I use to drain from the valve into an old oil jug. No clamps on the short tubing; it fits quite tightly. The short piece has a plug of RTV. This keeps dirt out of the end of the valve, and also serves as a safety of sorts in the unlikely event the valve leaks. I also use the little safety clip thingie. The skid plate offers considerable protection for the valve. There's some pictures up here:

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...your-jeep-jl-today.3033/page-1256#post-791418

I use an F106N on our 2002 Liberty. The factory skid plate on the Liberty offers no drainage problems like the aftermarket MORE on the JLU. But I do use a short bit of tubing on it in the same manner as on the JLU.

Sidenote: It's kind of interesting that the Liberty, which is hardly an example of a hardcore off-road vehicle, comes with a better engine skid plate than the JL/JLU Sports.

I've used these Fumies for ... decades. Not only on vehicles, but on tillers, mowers, generators ... and something similar, long before Fumoto came on the scene, on an old 1954 Chrysler Crown in a Harkers Island-built sea skiff. That one was worth its weight in gold; oil changes on that one were an adventure. None of these valves have ever failed.

You can also get spare clips for the Fumotos. They are relatively pricey little devils, maybe five bucks on Amazon. But I have never had one fall off.

OMMV.

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