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[autotragic]

That argument is like saying that smoking isn't actually bad for your health because everyone dies eventually anyway.

No it's not you idiot. Your cognitive dissonance is on display.

The fact is you can't reconcile the elevated CO2 levels of the past with all the flora and fauna that evolved and explain that slightly higher but still not anywhere close to actually high CO2 levels is going to kill everything.

But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out someday.

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[driventoadventure]

No it's not you idiot. Your cognitive dissonance is on display.

The fact is you can't reconcile the elevated CO2 levels of the past with all the flora and fauna that evolved and explain that slightly higher but still not anywhere close to actually high CO2 levels is going to kill everything.

But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out someday.

@JesseT 's statement is actually exactly correct. The fact that you can't understand the arguments and comprehend that tens of thousands to millions of years of evolution were required for species, of which there are a nonzero number of surviving examples of the changes you are talking about, to adapt exposes that your first two sentences are better said to a mirror than at the other members here.

To quote you, "But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out someday."

 

[Dusty Dude]

Carbon is 7th on the list of what affects temperature/climate of the earth. Sun is number 1, clouds are number 2. The reason carbon is talked about incessantly is it is the first thing that humans contribute towards. However, our contribution is so small, it is like farting in a whirlwind.

A single volcanic eruption like when pinatubo(sp?) in the Philippines erupted, it spewed more pollutants than the entire industrial revolution in minutes.

 

[Pig-Pen]

Carbon is 7th on the list of what affects temperature/climate of the earth. Sun is number 1, clouds are number 2. The reason carbon is talked about incessantly is it is the first thing that humans contribute towards. However, our contribution is so small, it is like farting in a whirlwind.

A single volcanic eruption like when pinatubo(sp?) in the Philippines erupted, it spewed more pollutants than the entire industrial revolution in minutes.

it sounds like we need to tackle the "sun problem" first. any ideas? maybe a big solar cover or something? maybe blow it up, like in Armageddon.

 

[CT_LFC]

You're not wrong. The world won't end. Just our species. And many more. Maybe that is for the better though.

And yet here you are driving a cinder block that is lucky to get 20mpg? you're going to kill us all.

 

[driventoadventure]

Carbon is 7th on the list of what affects temperature/climate of the earth. Sun is number 1, clouds are number 2. The reason carbon is talked about incessantly is it is the first thing that humans contribute towards. However, our contribution is so small, it is like farting in a whirlwind.

A single volcanic eruption like when pinatubo(sp?) in the Philippines erupted, it spewed more pollutants than the entire industrial revolution in minutes.

Your statement about volcanic eruptions' impacts relative to human impact is misleading at best.

Pinatubo ejected the equivalent of 9 hours of CO2 into the atmosphere. The sulfur dioxide it ejected reached into the stratosphere, versus most human pollution is released into the troposphere, where it is more impactful - at least to life and living things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Pinatubo#1991_eruption
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1029/2011EO240001
https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities

Further, volcanic eruptions are generally short lived. Most of the ejecta is in larger aggregate sizes, which causes it to discharge from the atmosphere rapidly, where the gasses we expel remain suspended in the atmosphere practically indefinitely... https://www.climate.gov/news-featur...-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities

 

[JesseT]

No it's not you idiot. Your cognitive dissonance is on display.

The fact is you can't reconcile the elevated CO2 levels of the past with all the flora and fauna that evolved and explain that slightly higher but still not anywhere close to actually high CO2 levels is going to kill everything.

But keep trying, maybe you'll figure it out someday.

All right grumpy-pants, take a breather.

A little reading comprehension goes a long way. At no point did I say that higher CO2 levels were going to "kill everything." I didn't even say that higher global average temperatures were going to "kill everything." (Although I guess it's possible I did and I just cognitive dissonance'd out so hard that I missed it, so if you can point me to where I said that it would be super helpful.)

I'm not worried about the Earth surviving. The Earth is going to be just fine. I'm worried about Earth's ongoing capacity to host Homo sapiens, and the amount of human suffering that will occur during that transition to a reduced or absent H. sapiens carrying capacity.

 

[driventoadventure]

And yet here you are driving a cinder block that is lucky to get 20mpg? you're going to kill us all.

I'll admit that driving my Jeep (btw, it gets better economy than that, but that's only because it's a Diesel) isn't part of the solution, but that doesn't mean I have to argue against the facts of the problem.

 

[Twisted10]

I think its funny people believe all of the crap the gov feeds them. OMG we are all going to die if we dont stop farting! Ya'll are brainwashed and are being lied to so some politician can get richer.

Make Diesels Great AGAIN!

 

[driventoadventure]

I think its funny people believe all of the crap the gov feeds them. OMG we are all going to die if we dont stop farting! Ya'll are brainwashed and are being lied to so some politician can get richer.

Make Diesels Great AGAIN!

Some people here seem to believe celebrities who have no scientific competence of any kind simply because they argue against the consensus of the people who literally spend their whole lives measuring, studying, testing and examining the subject. It really shouldn't be that difficult to determine who you should be trusting...

 

[Twisted10]

Some people here seem to believe celebrities who have no scientific competence of any kind simply because they argue against the consensus of the people who literally spend their whole lives measuring, studying, testing and examining the subject. It really shouldn't be that difficult to determine who you should be trusting...

Lots of people are that way. Unfortunately. They cannot look anywhere else other than inside their own little world. Meanwhile, the rest of the world laughs at us for the all the bs we tolerate. The pussification of America has surpassed anything I could have ever imagined...

 

[Pig-Pen]

according to one bartender/politician, the world is going to end next year(?) if we dont all stop driving NOW!

im sure within the net few hundred years we will have technology that will solve the issue. maybe giant nuke plant/air scrubbers. cars that run on nuclear power, or some kind of alien crystals.

obviously we need to work on technology to improve life and the environment but politicians and greenies want to make it an EMERGENCY or we're all going to die soon!!! instead of spending billions of dollars ramming half ass measures down our throats, how about investing that money in researching the tech that will actually work. and then begin to implement it. we've made tremendous strides over the years with engines and smog controls. all of a sudden everyone is in a mad rush to increase that 100 fold. to the point of penalizing everyone if it doesnt happen ASAP!!!!!1!

instead of boiling the frog, lets throw him in a vat of boiling fentanyl laced acid because we're going to starve if we dont eat him in 2 minutes.

 

[driventoadventure]

...obviously we need to work on technology to improve life and the environment but politicians and greenies want to make it an EMERGENCY or we're all going to die soon!!! instead of spending billions of dollars ramming half ass measures down our throats, how about investing that money in researching the tech that will actually work. and then begin to implement it. we've made tremendous strides over the years with engines and smog controls. all of a sudden everyone is in a mad rush to increase that 100 fold. to the point of penalizing everyone if it doesnt happen ASAP!!!!!1!...

You say that, but then look at the first thing that almost everyone does with the smog control technologies? They malign them and remove them. Look at all of the Dieselbros rolling coal... You can't keep saying "let's just try to make the wheel 0.00001% more perfectly round" then turning around and add grooves and ridges to it to increase traction. We continue to prove how irresponsible humanity is and how it only reacts to emergencies after the worst symptoms keep occurring. This problem isn't one we can wait for the real emergency to occur, because it will be way too late at that time to address it.

Cell phones didn't come around because people said "we have perfectly good hardwired phones, let's continue working on voice quality with those - walkie talikes are perfectly fine for communication when you want to be able to walk away from the phone jack."

 

[Pig-Pen]

You say that, but then look at the first thing that almost everyone does with the smog control technologies? They malign them and remove them. Look at all of the Dieselbros rolling coal... You can't keep saying "let's just try to make the wheel 0.00001% more perfectly round" then turning around and add grooves and ridges to it to increase traction. We continue to prove how irresponsible humanity is and how it only reacts to emergencies after the worst symptoms keep occurring. This problem isn't one we can wait for the real emergency to occur, because it will be way too late at that time to address it.

Cell phones didn't come around because people said "we have perfectly good hardwired phones, let's continue working on voice quality with those - walkie talikes are perfectly fine for communication when you want to be able to walk away from the phone jack."

"almost everyone"? lol. how many people do you really think are rolling coal? out of 330 million people in America, how many are doing that? and how much of a difference does that make? compared to john kerry's private jet? or a cruise or container ship? how many cars are running custom tunes and is that really going to make a difference? 31 million vehicles in CA alone. how many are running high performance tunes? what % of the vehicle smog problem?

nobody said we should wait three hundred years to address the issues but does it all have to be solved by 2030? asking for a few million friends...

 

[TheRaven]

...the consensus of the people who literally spend their whole lives measuring, studying, testing and examining the subject.

As someone with experience in the that field and who once WAS one of those folks...the idea of a "consensus" is hilarious. Anyone who tells you there is is no different than those "celebrities who have no scientific competence of any kind".

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