eTorque system explained and Q/A Webinar

[Blacktip]

I just watched the entire webinar. IMO, it is the worst cost-benefit/engineering system I have come across. All of these parts and complication to solve what exactly?

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[John VonJeep]

eTorque is certainly complicated.

And, let me state for the record that almost all of us would prefer not to have auto start/stop.

But if we must have auto start/stop, isn’t a belt-start generator the best solution? And if we have a BSG, then isn’t a separate 48v battery the best solution? And while we have that 48v battery, why not add transmission smoothing and all the other benefits of eTorque?

Having driven eTorque and 12v ESS, eTorque is night-and-day smoother and better. It’s not even close.

So I guess what I’m saying is that eTorque seems like the best solution for a dumb, mandatory “fuel saving” feature. Is it complicated? Yes. Does it work very well in practice? Also yes.

 

[Jeeppaul91]

eTorque is certainly complicated.

And, let me state for the record that almost all of us would prefer not to have auto start/stop.

But if we must have auto start/stop, isn’t a belt-start generator the best solution? And if we have a BSG, then isn’t a separate 48v battery the best solution? And while we have that 48v battery, why not add transmission smoothing and all the other benefits of eTorque?

Having driven eTorque and 12v ESS, eTorque is night-and-day smoother and better. It’s not even close.

So I guess what I’m saying is that eTorque seems like the best solution for a dumb, mandatory “fuel saving” feature. Is it complicated? Yes. Does it work very well in practice? Also yes.

I just went from the Non Etorque V6 to the Etorque. Its a very noticeable difference in smooth operating and overall functionality of the ESS.

 

[No IFS]

Everything works great when it’s new. Give E torque years in the rust belt. Then we can have a serious discussion about the pros and cons. All that extra electrical, three cooling systems and Rust, Corrosion, wiring issues will NOT be covered under warranty. You have an emissions warranty but if the catalytic converter rusts off the jeep they say buy a new one.​

 

[TucsonDweller]

+1 on what @John VonJeep said.

 

[No IFS]

Great video thanks for posting. Very informative ?
After watching the video it appears the main function of this new system is to allow the motor to be shut off longer.

 

[Blacktip]

I understand that their is a mandate for stop/start system, which is stupid, and the solution provided (eTorque) is stupider.

That system increase the initial cost of the vehicle by thousands, in addition to more thousands in maintenance and repair over the life time of the vehicle. The consumer is the one who is paying for it. For what purpose? Saving 1 or 2 miles to the gallon!

Calculate the carbon foot print to produce the parts, recycling of material after replacement, in addition to the human energy that went to produce and maintain it, and soon one will find out that this is not solving the problem, but it is making it a lot a lot worse.

I rather have a standard stop/start system with a button to disable it on the start. My wife's car has it, and she disable it every time she start the car. It became a habit and muscle memory.

We need smarter engineers in the EPA.

 

[Pinky Tuscadero]

Thanks, looks good
Too bad they dumped it off the 2.0 almost as soon as they started, woulda been nicer than the start/stop crap but.... oh well

 

[Crowbar]

Would like to see aftermarket come up with a delete. Get rid of the 48v battery and cooling system. Just have the generator charge the 12v battery.. I know there'd be alot of computer issues that would need addressed. And the whole warranty thing.

 

[Crowbar]

Thanks, looks good
Too bad they dumped it off the 2.0 almost as soon as they started, woulda been nicer than the start/stop crap but.... oh well

I actually considered the 2.0 because it had ESS. The ESS is easy to bypass and doesn't have coolant lines for the battery. Once bypassed you have a one battery vehicle again. Simple.

 

[Pinky Tuscadero]

I actually considered the 2.0 because it had ESS. The ESS is easy to bypass and doesn't have coolant lines for the battery. Once bypassed you have a one battery vehicle again. Simple.

Oddly I now wish I had it in my Ram as the traffic lights are now "forever lights" around here and mpg draws down quickly - the Hemi thing doesn't help - lol

 

[Caliguy]

I rode in my brothers brand new 2023 BMW m240i and was shocked at how rough is auto start stop is on his vehicle compared to my 3.6 e-torque. Told it it must be my rubicon suspension that dampens the feel lol

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