EcoDiesel vs 4XE

[Zandcwhite]

I got $1000 on my diesel in 2x4 against a 4xe with the same size tires and gearing. In whatever mode with whatever charge

You wouldn't stand a chance in 2wd against any wrangler in 4wd regardless of engine choice. You're either joking or really want to give someone $1,000.

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[AZ-Chris]

The battery is never depleted, there is always a reserve from regenerative braking alone.

I had a CMax energi for 2 years and I've had a Ford Focus BEV since 2015 (still have the 2014 Focus - I bought from CarMax when the car was 8 months old)

Regenerative braking is a joke! It adds back so little power it not worth considering. The battery absolutely WILL become depleted to the point it will not offer anything to the drive system . . . DEAD WEIGHT.

 

[Zandcwhite]

I had a CMax energi for 2 years and I've had a Ford Focus BEV since 2015 (still have the 2014 Focus - I bought from CarMax when the car was 8 months old)

Regenerative braking is a joke! It adds back so little power it not worth considering. The battery absolutely WILL become depleted to the point it will not offer anything to the drive system . . . DEAD WEIGHT.

It has never failed to pull out of my driveway or a parking lot in EV mode, it pulls just as hard getting up to speed from a stop or when you hammer it to merge into traffic. If you think the electric motor isn't pulling all the time, you've cleanup never driven a 3600lb vehicle with 100hp and a cvt that didn't have electric assist. It wouldn't get out of its own way let alone 0-60 in 7s. Maybe yours is broken?

 

[AZ-Chris]

My Focus BEV has left me stranded multiple times! Several times in a left turn only lane at rush hour! Just wait . . . your time will come.

EV batteries do not like heat and they do not like cold. I have found the ambient temperature sweet spot to be between 80F - 100F. Outside that, battery performance and behavior varies significantly . . . especially above 105F . . .

 

[Zandcwhite]

My Focus BEV has left me stranded multiple times! Several times in a left turn only lane at rush hour! Just wait . . . your time will come.

EV batteries do not like heat and they do not like cold. I have found the ambient temperature sweet spot to be between 80F - 100F. Outside that, battery performance and behavior varies significantly . . . especially above 105F . . .

Anything can fail, this cmaxx is pushing 100k without issue. Fortunately I work in the bay area where ambient Temps are almost always in that sweet spot.

 

[AZ-Chris]

Keeping the EVs in the Bay area would be fine by me!

 

[Zandcwhite]

My Focus BEV has left me stranded multiple times! Several times in a left turn only lane at rush hour! Just wait . . . your time will come.

EV batteries do not like heat and they do not like cold. I have found the ambient temperature sweet spot to be between 80F - 100F. Outside that, battery performance and behavior varies significantly . . . especially above 105F . . .

Having owned both, you have to understand the difference between a hybrid (plug in or not) and a full electric BEV better than most. Of course a fully electric vehicle will run out of power at some point, it’s not magic. A hybrid on the other hand has an ICE engine that not only provides movement, it also insures that the batteries are never fully depleted and the electric assist is always available when you need it. Short of a non-functioning vehicle or being out of gas, a hybrid always has the gas and electric motors available. No, it doesn’t use the electric motor all the time (nor does any engine use it’s full power potential all the time), but it is in fact always there to provide the assist. In that regard, you are sort of right. Cruising along on the freeway under low load above 70 mph the hybrid system isn’t engaged and at that point is dead weight. Under low load conditions the 392 runs on 4 cylinders, but I wouldn’t market it as a 3.2L 4 cylinder with 4 cylinders of dead weight unless I was trying to prove an illogical point. Hit skinny pedal and viola, 470ftlbs of v8 goodness (or 470 ftlbs of 4cyl+electric motor goodness no matter the state of charge in the 4xe).
Would you look at that, it's generated 50kWh in the last 1100 miles...magic(or regenerative braking).

 

[GATORB8]

Realistically. Like most diesel vs gas comparisons, it’s like comparing apples and oranges. Deisel’s simply perform differently than gas engines on the dyno, resulting in different advantages and disadvantages.

Deisels always have low HP, because HP is an equation based on torque and 5250 RPM, the deisels don’t make power that high. They do have a nice flat torque curve from almost start to 3k or so.

The 4xe in this case has the benefit of a torque adder across the entire range, but it still takes a while for the 2.0T to get into the power band to catch up.

The 4xe is certainly better than the 3.6 or 2.0T in the circumstances where the ED shines (low end torque and efficiency), but the ED still holds advantages there. The 4xe is quicker.

Which is better all boils down to what you want out of it and cost.

 

[BuffaloTJ]

Was anyone really expecting an unbiased comparison from "DieseJL"? That's like someone named "BroncoLover" comparing the Bronco vs Wrangler. I think the winner was predetermined. Starting out with 50% charge and driving around looking for a charger only to find one that was slow seemed like a convenient fluke to prove the point he wanted to make.

 

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[Deleted member 59498]

In the zombie apocalypse that is really going to happen diesel fuel will last a little longer than electricity and gasoline!

 

[Geos7812]

Was anyone really expecting an unbiased comparison from "DieseJL"? That's like someone named "BroncoLover" comparing the Bronco vs Wrangler. I think the winner was predetermined. Starting out with 50% charge and driving around looking for a charger only to find one that was slow seemed like a convenient fluke to prove the point he wanted to make.

Get it 100%. However, he brings up some very valid points. Those looking to use a Jeep for adventure which require long trips instead of a commuter should be aware of the real gas mileage though. Options for everyone!

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