Don't know what to do. 4xe thoughts??

[Jpfeifer]

233,000 miles, kudos to you.
What engine do you have right now? Unless there were problems (engine-wise) along the way I'd think that over-the-top history of milege would also be your answer.

I have plenty of friends with full electric and/or hybrid cars or trucks. They tend (especially the Tesla people) to turn in used or turn in used to get/buy another Tesla. The market used... buyers tend to avoid the "I'll get stuck with changing the batteries or software" on a used electric anything. So sellers take quite a hit along with dealers moving on to the next models, no interest in fixing or maintaining older tech. And that's what all these cars/Jeep are now, tech.

Same has happened with my motorcycle buddies. 1st Gen "Zero" all electric bikes use a completely different battery now that besides it's different size, the company no longer supports the older stuff. And when I say older I mean 3-4-5 years. That's not that old. The USA used to build "7 year cars". But we are all driving computers with 4 tires and a steering wheel. Why I lease and at the end of my lease I buy and keep for another 3-4 years before going on to my next Jeep (this is my 4th Jeep in a row). I'm not so sure I'll be doing that with my new '25 JL?

I have a 3.6 with the 5auto transmission. Not too many problems for how much I've driven it. just last 4,000 miles I've been having to put coolant in about every week. (I'm assuming a head gasket issue) because it's not leaking and can't find any trace of coolant it just disappears into thin air. Not interested in fixing or even paying a tech $150-$300 to figure it out, just want to trade it in. Whatever I purchase will be driven less then my Jk has been driven. You offroad with a leased vehicle? Do you always know your buying it at the end?

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[Jpfeifer]

Something that just occurred to me, and not to tell you how to make the decision but, pick between a truck and suv, meaning the truck most everything you pack is "outside". Things you want or need to keep inside only have half of the back seat because of your kid. You can definitely carry more with a gladiator however, its exposed to the elements or you have to get something that cost extra. Do you want one to do truck things, is your wheeling difficult enough to hinder a gladiator compared to wrangler.
If you are buying a 4xe used, I would find a lower mileage one and figure out the exact warranties that transfer, the 10yr/100k warranty is great however its newish so older 4xe's may not have them. I would suggest test driving both. Maybe look at getting a 4xe and gladiator rental for a week and seeing which you prefer.

If i were to get a gladiator I would get a bed cover/cap. Whatever I get, I already know what lift i'm getting. Already have wheels and 37' tires sitting in my storage shed. The hardest trail I've been on my JK is a 7. I think a lifted gladiator on 37's would be fine on that trail as well, maybe drag some belly and ass, but I'm not too concerned with that. The 4xe just pops into my head because of the hp and torque. If there was a 4xe gladiator, i'd 100% get it.

 

[Brad Hearing]

Hi Everyone,

Getting ready to purchase a new jeep. I'm going back and forth between a Gladiator Rubicon and a Wrangler 4xe Rubicon. I currently have a 2014 jkur with 233,000 miles that's on her last legs and not looking to put money into it with this many miles. Either car I purchase will be a newer low mile's vehicle. Specifically, 2022-2023. I want the truck bed, but then I've driven a 4xe and i love the power, not too worried about all electric miles (it would get used), more getting it for the power. This vehicle will be used as my daily driver, but more importantly to get in and out of the the northern utah mountains, whether that be fishing, camping, or skiing. What would y'all do? If anyone owns a 4xe long term in the years I mentioned, can you give me a short review? Would you do it again? Thanks!

the jeep was never made to be a hybrid. in fact nothing over car sized should be a hybrid. too much weight to battery ratio. add to that the fact that you have two systems in one - an engine and an electrical. thats double the chance of something going wrong down the road.

 

[TravelerTheJLU]

If i were to get a gladiator I would get a bed cover/cap. Whatever I get, I already know what lift i'm getting. Already have wheels and 37' tires sitting in my storage shed. The hardest trail I've been on my JK is a 7. I think a lifted gladiator on 37's would be fine on that trail as well, maybe drag some belly and ass, but I'm not too concerned with that. The 4xe just pops into my head because of the hp and torque. If there was a 4xe gladiator, i'd 100% get it.

Nice! Rumor has it the next generation gladiator may have it but sense the news of the 392 getting shoved in there and political climate changing, who knows. For me personally I “need” the wrangler the security of everything being enclosed and easily assessable far and away out weighs the increased amount of stuff. I would suggest thinking about re-gearing going to 37s especially with extra weight and if you load up when off-roading.

 

[BXFXJeep]

the jeep was never made to be a hybrid. in fact nothing over car sized should be a hybrid. too much weight to battery ratio. add to that the fact that you have two systems in one - an engine and an electrical. thats double the chance of something going wrong down the road.

How about the 392? It weighs the same as the 4xe.

Vehicles evolve over time, pretty much all manufacturers are mating electric with traditional ICE for more power.

The only real problem with the 4xe, is Jeep is forced to use dealerships that could never fix simple ICE Jeeps to fix the 4xe.

The 4xe handily out performs the other Wranglers on electric only for non high-speed duty, and the real fun starts when the ICE is fired up.

 

[Brad Hearing]

How about the 392? It weighs the same as the 4xe.

Vehicles evolve over time, pretty much all manufacturers are mating electric with traditional ICE for more power.

The only real problem with the 4xe, is Jeep is forced to use dealerships that could never fix simple ICE Jeeps to fix the 4xe.

The 4xe handily out performs the other Wranglers on electric only for non high-speed duty, and the real fun starts when the ICE is fired up.

as I said its a weight to battery ratio. smaller cars are fine but EV's dont scale. an EV semi isnt what anyone wants for all sorts of reasons but an EV bicycle is super popular.

there are limits to what an EV can functionally do

 

[BXFXJeep]

as I said its a weight to battery ratio. smaller cars are fine but EV's dont scale. an EV semi isnt what anyone wants for all sorts of reasons but an EV bicycle is super popular.

there are limits to what an EV can functionally do

The 4xe pure electric system is specifically designed to handle low speed city driving, which it does significantly better than the other Wrangler powertrains, this is the primary function of a PHEV.

For more high power workload, the gas engine takes over and the electric motors is called upon for added power.

The weight does not negatively affect the 4xe performance at any speed either.

 

[Brad Hearing]

im well aware of that.

all im saying is that EV doesnt scale to higher weight vehicles

 

[cansberry]

im well aware of that.

all im saying is that EV doesnt scale to higher weight vehicles

Good thing the 4xe isn't a straight EV then? Unsure of your point in relation to the original post.

To the OP, 30,000ish miles on my JL 4xe and I love it. I've had a smattering of Jeeps from the 90s to now and it's my favorite powertrain. Lots of low end grunt for the trail, EV range for putzing to and from work, and plenty of passing power. I'd say if electricity is similar in costs to gas where you're at or you plan frequent (once a month or more) long trips with it, it does make some of the benefits moot.

And as others have noted, when buying used, avoid fleet/rental use. They don't treat them right and the battery will have higher degradation for it, plus the usual rental/fleet wear n tear.

 

[Nanavma]

The 4xe pure electric system is specifically designed to handle low speed city driving, which it does significantly better than the other Wrangler powertrains, this is the primary function of a PHEV.

For more high power workload, the gas engine takes over and the electric motors is called upon for added power.

The weight does not negatively affect the 4xe performance at any speed either.

I used to tease my better half that I would help pedal his 4 cylinder Subaru Outback uphill when we were traveling. In the five months I kept the 2025 JTR with the 3.6 engine, that’s kind of how I felt. My new JL Sahara 4xe is like a race car in comparison. GVWR for the JTR was 6400 and the Wrangler 4xe is 6450. In my humble opinion, 375 horsepower on the 4xe beats the JTR’s 285 on any given day so for my needs, it’s a much better fit. Just a few thoughts for OP to consider.

 

[Brad Hearing]

Good thing the 4xe isn't a straight EV then? Unsure of your point in relation to the original post.

To the OP, 30,000ish miles on my JL 4xe and I love it. I've had a smattering of Jeeps from the 90s to now and it's my favorite powertrain. Lots of low end grunt for the trail, EV range for putzing to and from work, and plenty of passing power. I'd say if electricity is similar in costs to gas where you're at or you plan frequent (once a month or more) long trips with it, it does make some of the benefits moot.

And as others have noted, when buying used, avoid fleet/rental use. They don't treat them right and the battery will have higher degradation for it, plus the usual rental/fleet wear n tear.

well a lot of people have to defend their own purchases so theres that.

im simply pointing out that EV everything is rapidly coming out of favor and hopefully the marketplace will help EV find its proper place.

 

[ForgottenTaco]

Does the wrangler 4xe play that super annoying musical tone when you’re driving in battery mode?

 

[cansberry]

Does the wrangler 4xe play that super annoying musical tone when you’re driving in battery mode?

Nope.

well a lot of people have to defend their own purchases so theres that.

im simply pointing out that EV everything is rapidly coming out of favor and hopefully the marketplace will help EV find its proper place.

I'm a firm believer that it makes sense for the average guy and gal. But I'm also a bigger believer in great public transit being the best choice for most so I recognize I'm on the backfoot in this beautifully nonsensical country we call the US of A.

 

[Wbino]

im well aware of that.

all im saying is that EV doesnt scale to higher weight vehicles

 

[BXFXJeep]

Those fancy electric buses park up at the side of the road regularly in Toronto during the winter for various failures. Leaving transit users freezing in the cold.

The failures are year round, the clown show is just more noticeable in the winter.

As usual people that make these cockeyed decisions don't use these buses.

Public transportation is complete to begin with, add electric into the mix and it's a complete show.

And let's not forget the electric school bus fiasco spanning the continent, but again the people in power always target the children when it comes to these schemes.

I should add I joy ride the public transportation system almost daily with my kids.

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