Diesel coming back!?

[swampflyer]

68000 miles on my tdi Jetta. Just change oil and drive. I get 2/3 calls a month from individuals out of state and the dealer wanting to purchase my diesel even the dealer mechanic wants it. No, no, no. Love this diesel 52 mpg around town and on the roadway.

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[ALeeL]

this engine will never return. it was a warranty cost nightmare, let alone the epa nonsense

small diesels that require $20k worth of emissions bullshit to even be road legal aren't worth producing

Just wait until you see what is currently being propose for small direct injected gasoline engines. If the EPA gets their way, every one will have a particulate filter.

 

[ALeeL]

68000 miles on my tdi Jetta. Just change oil and drive. I get 2/3 calls a month from individuals out of state and the dealer wanting to purchase my diesel even the dealer mechanic wants it. No, no, no. Love this diesel 52 mpg around town and on the roadway.

Same here. I have several family members and friends who consistently tell me that they better be the first one I call if I ever decide to sell my 328d. Never had anyone ever say the same for my gas powered cars in the past.

 

[gato]

Why is it always the people that don't have something, the loudest critics?

Because once you buy something you have a tendency to defend your choices, no matter how bad it is.

The ecodiesel was cancelled after ~3 years on the market at a huge loss to Stellantis.

Why?

 

[ALeeL]

Because once you buy something you have a tendency to defend your choices, no matter how bad it is.

The ecodiesel was cancelled after ~3 years on the market at a huge loss to Stellantis.

Why?

Not true. I had a 2.0L gas BMW before I bought my 328d and I hated that thing. I also would never buy a 5.0L Coyote in an F150 again. Also, sometimes, when one wishes they had something but can't, they go out of their way to put it down to make themselves feel better.

This is the second time you asked this and I answered. Both Jeep and Stellantis stated in their media excerpts that they are shifting focus to electrification— especially since it was highly subsidized by many governments that were subsidizing electrification adoption at the time the decision was made.

This is the same reason why they canceled the Hemi 5.7L and the 392— which they were paying massive fines and/or purchasing carbon for due to their fuel consumption pushing them over CAFE regulations. Between 2019 and 2021, Stellantis spend $2.4 billion in carbon credits— mostly from Tesla. While it may have cost Stellantis $300 million in the emissions scandal, the increase in their CAFE due to the Ecodiesel's higher fuel mileage was saving them from purchasing even more credits than the billions they were already purchasing

So, even though the 4xe with the 2.0L hybrid did not get anywhere near the EPA fuel mileage in the real world, especially with 35 in tires that most Jeep owners install. It came with the $3,750 or$7,500 government subsidy. Ironically, the 4xe was dropped as soon as the subsidies ended. The Ecodiesel, that actually got the EPA fuel mileage in the real world and does not take as much of an mpg hit with 35's, cost consumers around $6k more. I would bet that if the government gave diesels a $7,500 subsidy, their take rate would be a lot higher.

 

[zouch]

actually, i don't believe the EcoD cost anywhere near $6K more than a similarly equipped JL with a similar auto transmission.
i know mine didn't,..

and few people figure in that the EcoD got Dana 44s automatically, even if it wasn't a Rubicon.

Not true. I had a 2.0L gas BMW before I bought my 328d and I hated that thing. I also would never buy a 5.0L Coyote in an F150 again. Also, sometimes, when one wishes they had something but can't, they go out of their way to put it down to make themselves feel better.

This is the second time you asked this and I answered. Both Jeep and Stellantis stated in their media excerpts that they are shifting focus to electrification— especially since it was highly subsidized by many governments that were subsidizing electrification adoption at the time the decision was made.

This is the same reason why they canceled the Hemi 5.7L and the 392— which they were paying massive fines and/or purchasing carbon for due to their fuel consumption pushing them over CAFE regulations. Between 2019 and 2021, Stellantis spend $2.4 billion in carbon credits— mostly from Tesla. While it may have cost Stellantis $300 million in the emissions scandal, the increase in their CAFE due to the Ecodiesel's higher fuel mileage was saving them from purchasing even more credits than the billions they were already purchasing

So, even though the 4xe with the 2.0L hybrid did not get anywhere near the EPA fuel mileage in the real world, especially with 35 in tires that most Jeep owners install. It came with the $3,750 or$7,500 government subsidy. Ironically, the 4xe was dropped as soon as the subsidies ended. The Ecodiesel, that actually got the EPA fuel mileage in the real world and does not take as much of an mpg hit with 35's, cost consumers around $6k more. I would bet that if the government gave diesels a $7,500 subsidy, their take rate would be a lot higher.

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