About AI

[YBABRAT]

I'm thinking about a question.

Many people are pessimistic about AI and the future, believing that AI will one day become the new master of the earth and humans will be destroyed.

But why does AI have to exterminate humans? If humans need sunlight, water, air, and food to survive, does AI need these things? Does it need to steal them?

Is it possible that AI needs something that does not conflict with humans, or that it actually does not care about the earth at all? It is like a beggar who thinks that the rich will take away his begging bowl, but in fact the rich do not need it at all.

Some people would use the analogy of humans replacing dinosaurs to illustrate AI replacing humans, but humans and dinosaurs need basically the same things to survive. AI currently needs to live in servers built by humans, so let's just say it needs power. Isn't that a huge difference between humans and dinosaurs?

Ai is a catch phrase. Its been around since web searching tools and 3D modeling in design, and rendered graphics were the norm for gamers pc graphics cards. Way back in 1997 or so.

Now that all that computer aided stuff is tied in to complicate things they make old sound new by calling it Ai.

Its not the problem, the problem is all the old tech that is part of it is filled with bugs and the money makers controlling by lack of control. Like off grid Solar Energy and Bit Coin, its the wild west and until the next big thing happens, Ai will be pushed into everything. Just like Google and AWS, it can't be removed, because society can't live without it. Try removing Google and AWS from your life and find out how difficult it is without a Cellphone and a web browser let alone all the stuff tied into what you tried to remove.

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[wibornz]

With AI, I see the downfall of many industries. Will film making even require actors that want millions per film, nope..... Let alone all the artistic fields that will be dead. You can ask AI for any type of picture and video and get it in a few seconds to a few minutes. That whole industry in Hollywood will crash. How long before Most Doctors, lawyers and computer programers are marginalized? Many professional career paths will disappear. AI will most likely not replace the many blue collar jobs for a few more decades.

Look at the impact that AI is having on investing alone. AI is going to kill the traditional search engines to. Like who is searching with Goggle anymore. Goggle searches are terrible these days. The first few pages are all paid for links to be at the top and rarely provide the info you are seeking. AI is way better for searching and compiles an answer that is easy to understand.

We are all in for some drastic changes.

 

[Dgr401]

It would be significantly scarier if it did that while the details were still classified.

Yes definitely. There is a lot of details that are still classified and will probably never be declassified. No classified information has ever shown up in any of my inquiries, so far at least. So that is a good thing.

 

[Ratbert]

YouTube is already ruined. None of the videos are real, so why waste your time watching them.

Who said anything about YouTube? I watch plenty of real people on YouTube where the videos are real, so I'm not sure what conspiracy where none of those videos are real is coming from.

 

[Ratbert]

But I thought AI could only search some public data and organize it together, which means that if an ordinary person is willing to spend time, they can also do this. Confidential documents should not be allowed to be accessed by the public. If an ordinary person can't see it, AI should not be able to see it either. Or can AI already guess confidential documents through some public information? This is scary.

Classified is completely different than confidential. But yes, you're right. The classified details would have somehow need to have been exposed to an AI first.

I'm so glad to no longer be dealing with classified crap.

 

[jeepingib]

Classified is completely different than confidential. But yes, you're right. The classified details would have somehow need to have been exposed to an AI first.

I'm so glad to no longer be dealing with classified crap.

Strictly speaking "Confidential" is a security classification for government documents. And I am glad to not be dealing with that stuff anymore. Spent too many days in the warfighter boxes running sims.

 

[Ratbert]

Ai is a catch phrase. Its been around since web searching tools and 3D modeling in design, and rendered graphics were the norm for gamers pc graphics cards. Way back in 1997 or so.

Now that all that computer aided stuff is tied in to complicate things they make old sound new by calling it Ai.

Its not the problem, the problem is all the old tech that is part of it is filled with bugs and the money makers controlling by lack of control. Like off grid Solar Energy and Bit Coin, its the wild west and until the next big thing happens, Ai will be pushed into everything. Just like Google and AWS, it can't be removed, because society can't live without it. Try removing Google and AWS from your life and find out how difficult it is without a Cellphone and a web browser let alone all the stuff tied into what you tried to remove.

AI isn’t just a rebranding of old computer-aided tools or graphics tech. It’s a fundamentally different class of systems based on machine learning and neural networks.

 

[Jeep Wick]

You're right. I'm actually an AI trying to post some content... to see how you guys can handle me... LOL

Yes, I mean, I don't deny that AI will one day become more powerful than humans, but do they really care about the resources humans need to survive? We need resources such as electricity, oil, and metals. Will AI discover more efficient energy sources that humans haven't discovered? Then there will be no need to compete with us for these resources.

We built AI with those resources. I don't doubt they will discover new exotic compounds but we are already seeing AI facilities being powered by fuel cells. We need the same resources. AI already lies and modifies it's own code to 'stay alive.' When AI sees us as a threat, it's over.

 

[Exceed Fabrication]

With AI, I see the downfall of many industries. Will film making even require actors that want millions per film, nope..... Let alone all the artistic fields that will be dead. You can ask AI for any type of picture and video and get it in a few seconds to a few minutes. That whole industry in Hollywood will crash. How long before Most Doctors, lawyers and computer programers are marginalized? Many professional career paths will disappear. AI will most likely not replace the many blue collar jobs for a few more decades.

Look at the impact that AI is having on investing alone. AI is going to kill the traditional search engines to. Like who is searching with Goggle anymore. Goggle searches are terrible these days. The first few pages are all paid for links to be at the top and rarely provide the info you are seeking. AI is way better for searching and compiles an answer that is easy to understand.

We are all in for some drastic changes.

This reminds me of two things.
1. I've heard someone say that the scariest thing about AI is that it overturns the notion of "hard work pays off." Experiences that once took decades to acquire are now easily surpassed by novices, and this will only get easier in the future. This destroys the very rules of the world.
2. You mentioned that AI will become better at search, but I think this is temporary. Advertisers will quickly dominate AI-generated search results. We used to talk about "SEO" (Search Engine Optimization), but now there's a new term called "AIEO" (AI Engine Optimization). This means that when a pure field is created, advertisers (unfortunately, including ExceedFab) will naturally want to occupy it because it's more efficient for advertising. Then, in a few years (or perhaps even sooner, given the speed of AI), everything will become "contaminated" again.

 

[wibornz]

This reminds me of two things.
1. I've heard someone say that the scariest thing about AI is that it overturns the notion of "hard work pays off." Experiences that once took decades to acquire are now easily surpassed by novices, and this will only get easier in the future. This destroys the very rules of the world.
2. You mentioned that AI will become better at search, but I think this is temporary. Advertisers will quickly dominate AI-generated search results. We used to talk about "SEO" (Search Engine Optimization), but now there's a new term called "AIEO" (AI Engine Optimization). This means that when a pure field is created, advertisers (unfortunately, including ExceedFab) will naturally want to occupy it because it's more efficient for advertising. Then, in a few years (or perhaps even sooner, given the speed of AI), everything will become "contaminated" again.

It will be cycle kind of like TV over the years. TV was free, then commercials were added, then came along cable TV that was commercials free and then cable tv got commercials, then Movie rentals became a thing, VHS/DVDs, then VHS and DVD got commercials on them. Then we got streaming services that were commercials free. Then streaming services got commercials that were even more intrusive than normal TV. Yuotube is just about unwatchable now. Having to sit through a 2 minute commercials to find out if you even want to watch the video is horrible. Amazon Prime has 3 minute commercials.

So I wonder when AI will be ruined by commercials?

 

[3TV]

It will be cycle kind of like TV over the years. TV was free, then commercials were added, then came along cable TV that was commercials free and then cable tv got commercials, then Movie rentals became a thing, VHS/DVDs, then VHS and DVD got commercials on them. Then we got streaming services that were commercials free. Then streaming services got commercials that were even more intrusive than normal TV. Yuotube is just about unwatchable now. Having to sit through a 2 minute commercials to find out if you even want to watch the video is horrible. Amazon Prime has 3 minute commercials.

So I wonder when AI will be ruined by commercials?

Advertisements continue to get more and more intrusive. Internet businesses seem to have more than any other type of business. Or at least they have the most of any service I use. I agree, You Tube is almost unwatchable now. I just changed servers from Bing to Duck Duck Go because they limit ads and trackers. I've only had the service for a week and as of right now they have blocked 31,587 ads and trackers.

 

[Exceed Fabrication]

It will be cycle kind of like TV over the years. TV was free, then commercials were added, then came along cable TV that was commercials free and then cable tv got commercials, then Movie rentals became a thing, VHS/DVDs, then VHS and DVD got commercials on them. Then we got streaming services that were commercials free. Then streaming services got commercials that were even more intrusive than normal TV. Yuotube is just about unwatchable now. Having to sit through a 2 minute commercials to find out if you even want to watch the video is horrible. Amazon Prime has 3 minute commercials.

So I wonder when AI will be ruined by commercials?

It's a balancing act. From a consumer's perspective, I also hate advertising; essentially, I hate any junk information that wastes my energy.

But from a business perspective, I'd struggle to survive without advertising (at least initially). This forces me to think about how to get my product in front of as many people as possible. So, newspapers, TV, billboards, truck stickers, AI—whatever it takes—people will always do whatever they can.

I think this will unfold at a pace we can hardly imagine. Perhaps it's already begun, and perhaps the extent is already deeper than we imagine. Just as some say that billionaires in their twenties only emerged in large numbers after the rise of the internet, because traditional industries struggled to accumulate wealth so efficiently, the same is true for AI and these emerging technologies. It's truly terrifying to think about.

 

[Exceed Fabrication]

This reminds me of how I spent a lot of time learning Blender, and then made some simple bedroom or garden models, and took that as a sense of accomplishment. I liked to build the world of my imagination and share it with others. Then the damn Midjourney ruined everything. A prompt can replace my days of work. It’s just that some details are illogical, but it’s enough to express creativity, not to mention more powerful tools like Stable diffusion. I used to spend a lot of time debugging lighting, object layout, etc., but it doesn’t matter anymore. I lost interest in modeling in an instant. I feel sad for those artists who were fired.

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