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Okay, that's gotta be a record. Who's your dealer?
Gupton. They've been very responsive and obviouly move a lot of Jeeps, but no luck with my order. There are several 392's on Cryptostickers that are from early June.
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There has been a lot of movement on 392s lately, so hopefully mine will make some progress soon.
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So much competition now in the small/mid size truck market than it was 5.5 years ago. At the time it was only Taco, Colorado or a brand new 20 year old Frontier. Thinking about adding a tune now that I'm out of warranty.
The problem is not the competition. The problem is Toyota’s complacency which is influencing their attitude toward innovation.

They know thousands of blindly brand loyal buyers that hold antiquated views and do no research will continue buying their trucks.
 

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Jeep won't build your order until you get rid of that Taco.
I guess that’s why mine has been in production more than a week without moving to built.

I am not getting rid of my Taco though. Contrary to everyone else here I love that truck, I do use it as a truck though and not an off-roader. Funny enough though it’s got a locker and my Jeep won’t, but I won’t be off roading that one either.
 

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I guess that’s why mine has been in production more than a week without moving to built.

I am not getting rid of my Taco though. Contrary to everyone else here I love that truck, I do use it as a truck though and not an off-roader. Funny enough though it’s got a locker and my Jeep won’t, but I won’t be off roading that one either.
Every mid-size truck on the market currently does truck things better and more efficiently than the Tacoma, with better interiors and technology.
 

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They know thousands of blindly brand loyal buyers that hold antiquated views and do no research will continue buying their trucks.
If we're being honest you could say the same about Jeep...
 

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Does anyone know if they push updates over the weekend or do I have to drink to a blackout status until Monday?
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If we're being honest you could say the same about Jeep...
Sure, but they have also vastly improved / modernized the product line with every iteration. The TJ is more capable, stock for stock than the YJ. The JK is more capable, stock for stock, than the TJ. The JL is more capable, stock for stock, than the JK. Every new model has improved on ride quality and handling. Interiors have massively improve. Safety has improved. Technology has massively improved.

Look at the 2005 TJ Rubicon compared to a 2022 JL Rubicon.

Then, look at a 2005 Tacoma TRD Off-road compared to a 2022 Tacoma TRD Off-road. The 2022 Tacoma is essentially a reskinned 2005 Tacoma with a *slightly* better interior and CarPlay.
 

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Every mid-size truck on the market currently does truck things better and more efficiently than the Tacoma, with better interiors and technology.
That might be true now - I guess I don’t really know, I haven’t gone truck shopping, but it wasn’t true when I bought it in 2016, and it still does everything I need it to, and except for the inside of the bed looks brand new since it fits in the garage.
 

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That might be true now - I guess I don’t really know, I haven’t gone truck shopping, but it wasn’t true when I bought it in 2016, and it still does everything I need it to.
To be clear, I pick on the Tacoma and Tundra due to my frustration with Toyota and their complacency, not because I hate either truck. I used to want a first-Gen Tacoma more than anything when I was in college. I was a huge fan of Ivan “Ironman” Stewart and the TRD team in their Baja glory days.

Toyota, as of late, is content to ignore innovation, ignore the competition, enter the market in 4th or 5th place behind all the other competition with lightly refreshed products that they advertise as “newly redesigned,” all while letting their once legendary truck brands die a slow death.

So, F*** Toyota (the company) and their executive leadership.
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