Elephant in the room

[Hambone92037]

Ok, Ill ask it. Of all the PHEV's and EV's out there, is Jeep, one of the largest manufactures of all time, the only one with a potential vehicle fire?? And using Samsung batteries, one of the largest battery manufactures of all time? Is this a joke?

I guarantee one thing, if some other dealer knocked at my door and offered me a vehlcle remotely similar to my wrangler and I didn't have to take a bath on the depreciation, I'd trade it before I could finish this cup of coffee. And Id be done with Jeep. This is rediculous guys. We need to stand up to this somehow. I feel like a prisoner of of Jeep. Moneys gone, vehicle is crap. And...park it away from other vehicles? Away from the house? Im in Chicago. Where would that be exactly, in Lake Michigan?

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[c20040215]

one of the largest manufactures of all time

This is misleading. Not even close.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Ok, Ill ask it. Of all the PHEV's and EV's out there, is Jeep, one of the largest manufactures of all time, the only one with a potential vehicle fire?? And using Samsung batteries, one of the largest battery manufactures of all time? Is this a joke?

I guarantee one thing, if some other dealer knocked at my door and offered me a vehlcle remotely similar to my wrangler and I didn't have to take a bath on the depreciation, I'd trade it before I could finish this cup of coffee. And Id be done with Jeep. This is rediculous guys. We need to stand up to this somehow. I feel like a prisoner of of Jeep. Moneys gone, vehicle is crap. And...park it away from other vehicles? Away from the house? Im in Chicago. Where would that be exactly, in Lake Michigan?

It’s not a bad idea. Driving it into the lake would certainly control the fire.

 

[YBABRAT]

Really? The reality is all EV vehicals can and will catch fire in a bad collision. The amount of fire depends on containment and type of breach. There are million dollar super ev sports cars that can go into flames just as easy as a Prius or Leaf. Don't fool yourself with high and mighty expectations of EV being the best alternative. EV has and always will be just as detrimental to environment as ICE, in fact even more so. Laws of conservation is a standard to physics and chemistry. Heat generates energy and energy creates heat. The real elephants the room is EV is not as green as you think and not as safe as you think. Which reminds me of Westinghouse vs Tesla… Electricuting an elephant to make a point that DC is safer than AC, just to make money. Though it was more practical for being safe, it was costly and wasteful to produce in large scale. Which is an issue with EV vehicals today. A bit of paradoxical irony of your Elephant in the room.

 

[GinaC]

Ok, Ill ask it. Of all the PHEV's and EV's out there, is Jeep, one of the largest manufactures of all time, the only one with a potential vehicle fire?? And using Samsung batteries, one of the largest battery manufactures of all time? Is this a joke?

I guarantee one thing, if some other dealer knocked at my door and offered me a vehlcle remotely similar to my wrangler and I didn't have to take a bath on the depreciation, I'd trade it before I could finish this cup of coffee. And Id be done with Jeep. This is rediculous guys. We need to stand up to this somehow. I feel like a prisoner of of Jeep. Moneys gone, vehicle is crap. And...park it away from other vehicles? Away from the house? Im in Chicago. Where would that be exactly, in Lake Michigan?

I'm just as upset as you. They told us they had fixed this issue in the 2024 models, and that is why I thought it was safe to buy.

Last Friday I received my recall notice. On Saturday I went to my dealership to consider my options and commisserate with the store manager, who lives down the block and also has a 4xe. On Monday I decided to use the inheritance from my late uncle to buy a new (ICE) Jeep. I was planning on using that money to remodel my kitchen and bathroom, but my life, the life of my dogs, and the protection of everything I own comes first. If that vehicle smokes or catches fire while in the basement garage of my 1939, 1200 sq foot home, I lose everything, software flash or no. If it happens overnight I will have no way of knowing.

Also I must add that I have PTSD from 9/11 so this is hitting especially hard.

So I sent an email to "someone high up in the government" on the off chance that he will read it. Hey, it can't hurt.

 

[Stagewex]

I looked at these when considering an upgrade to my 2019 JL. Was not impressed with the technology. They are "not there" yet. Not a fan of the 4 cylinder Fiat engine either no matter what turbo or Torque is associated. I have a 2025 JL 6 with about 4000 miles as of today, no issues. Just lease and if you like it, buy-out after. No depreciation issues, you can give to back, not stuck with it. Not just with Jeep but pretty much any new car/truck nowadays. You are driving a computer with tires and a steering wheel that will be obsolete a lot quicker than you could ever imagine. Might as well make it a 3 year test drive.
It is a shame though for such Jeep brand loyalty for the EV owners. Better check that your home owners insurance will/would still apply now that the recall is pubic if you park in your garage.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

I looked at these when considering an upgrade to my 2019 JL. Was not impressed with the technology. They are "not there" yet. Not a fan of the 4 cylinder Fiat engine either no matter what turbo or Torque is associated. I have a 2025 JL 6 with about 4000 miles as of today, no issues. Just lease and if you like it, buy-out after. No depreciation issues, you can give to back, not stuck with it. Not just with Jeep but pretty much any new car/truck nowadays. You are driving a computer with tires and a steering wheel that will be obsolete a lot quicker than you could ever imagine. Might as well make it a 3 year test drive.
It is a shame though for such Jeep brand loyalty for the EV owners. Better check that your home owners insurance will/would still apply now that the recall is pubic if you park in your garage.

Not sure why your viewpoint of the 2.0T (by the way not a Fiat engine) matters to the battery fires. It’s not like the engine is combusting the battery. The Hurricane line of engines were developed in the US, not in Italy. By the way, your 3.6 is mostly manufactured and assembled in Mexico. Not sure how that makes your 6 cylinders better or worse. Not sure how cylinders in Italy are worse than elsewhere either, but that wouldn’t matter anyway since none of the Jeep engines are made there.

 

[pablo_max3045]

Most current gen batteries are at risk of thermal runaway. The most common, as we see in Jeeps chemistry, are a result of dendrites. This is where you get a tail of conductive impurities that connect the anode to the cathode through the separation layer which causes a short. In lithium Ion, once a thermal runaway starts, it WILL spread to the other cells no matter what.
Ironically, China is the only country on the planet who has passed legislation effective from Jan of 2026 that no battery capable of thermal runaway can be sold.
Only CATL and BYD currently make batteries which meet the new requirements.

I mentioned this a few years back in some older posts, but it won't be until 2027 - 2028 where we will see solid state and semi solid state batteries start to hit the mainstream. We are have already tested several in the lab where I work. It takes a few years for these things to actually hit the market though.

I am positive that after market solid state battery upgrades will be a thing for Wranglers in the next 5 years.

 

[azjl#3]

And who pays for that.....

 

[gato]

The fact that Jeep stopped offering the 4xe (at least for now) for the 2026 MY is all you need to know, to see that the problem is NOT solved.

Having said that, the fire chances are still likely very low. Just don't park it near structures where humans may be sleeping, so noone ever gets hurt. The fires start slow enough, that if you are inside the vehicle you will have plenty of time to get away and let insurance deal with it later.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

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There's so much misinformation in this post I thought it was some kind of satirical performance art

 

[cansberry]

I'm done with Jeep after this one. 6 Jeeps over my life. Traded the JT out for a 4xe lease for fuel econ and to get out of the exploding clutches. Loved it enough that I got the wife a GC 4xe. Got out of that this week (can't have the family hauler pose a risk) and I've got 6 months left on the Wrangler. I'll be traveling enough for work that I'm just going to street park and ride the lease out. Then I'm off to a Colorado Bison, Ranger Raptor, Bronco of a type or a 4runner of some kind. I got time to think on it, but I'm fed up with constant little recalls and persistent safety recalls almost a decade into production.

 

[Kracka]

Samsung doesn't exactly have a good track record with batteries...

 

[Badunit]

It is a shame that a supplier's part, one I assume was not designed by Jeep, is causing Jeep all this trouble and reputational harm. Personally I wouldn't trust parking any electric vehicle in my garage, especially when charging. It will be a good thing when the thermal runaway proof (or is it "thermal runaway resistant") batteries become standard. Lithium battery fires are nasty.

 

[Dusty Dude]

This is not unique to Jeep in any way. Battery issues and warnings put out about these issues have hit every industry that used these batteries.

A few years ago it was the batteries in the airplanes. The Chevy Volt, the Toyota Prius, etc. in the auto industry, some kids/adult toys, and even the latest EV bikes.

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