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[Ratbert]

The OEM mirrors don't adjust wide enough out to allow for proper visibility (fig 1) even at the maximum setting. I had to add small blind spot mirrors. If I hadn't already I'd consider such a product.

Are any of those adjusted correctly? I've always been taught that you shouldn't be able to see your own vehicle until you tilt your head slightly in that direction. Seeing your own vehicle in the mirror is pretty damn pointless.

After owning a few vehicles with blind spot monitoring, I'd never buy a new one without it. It's extremely useful when driving on roads with 3+ lanes in each direction.

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[wrang_stang]

Are any of those adjusted correctly? I've always been taught that you shouldn't be able to see your own vehicle until you tilt your head slightly in that direction. Seeing your own vehicle in the mirror is pretty damn pointless.

After owning a few vehicles with blind spot monitoring, I'd never buy a new one without it. It's extremely useful when driving on roads with 3+ lanes in each direction.

Fig 1 (and 4) are correct. And agreed. It seems like some vehicles aren’t designed for proper mirror placement and I wish I knew that before getting mine.

 

[Ratbert]

Fig 1 (and 4) are correct. And agreed. It seems like some vehicles aren’t designed for proper mirror placement and I wish I knew that before getting mine.

4 is not correct. Correct would be somewhere between 4 and 5, where a tiny bit of the yellow vehicle was visible.

But yes, our Wrangler mirrors are pretty bad. We have a shitty little C-Max with significantly better mirrors. Even the passenger can tell what's going on with vehicles behind them and in their otherwise blind spot.

I'm pretty sure those mirrors won't, however, fold up nicely against the vehicle as you brush up against a tree or boulder.

 

[wrang_stang]

4 is not correct. Correct would be somewhere between 4 and 5, where a tiny bit of the yellow vehicle was visible.

But yes, our Wrangler mirrors are pretty bad. We have a shitty little C-Max with significantly better mirrors. Even the passenger can tell what's going on with vehicles behind them and in their otherwise blind spot.

I'm pretty sure those mirrors won't, however, fold up nicely against the vehicle as you brush up against a tree or boulder.

No 4 is correct (as indicated by the text description and according to SAE guidelines). Where are you getting that part of your rear view mirror should be duplicated in your side view?

The goal is to have perfect overlap where as soon as an object leaves one mirror it appears in the other with minimal to no gap. The more overlap there is the more field of view you sacrifice of your blind spots.

 

[THAW]

...4 is correct...

...The goal is to have perfect overlap where as soon as an object leaves one mirror it appears in the other with minimal to no gap....

Yes, and also to overlap with the driver's peripheral vision as it advances past the side mirror.

 

[Ratbert]

No 4 is correct (as indicated by the text description and according to SAE guidelines). Where are you getting that part of your rear view mirror should be duplicated in your side view?

The goal is to have perfect overlap where as soon as an object leaves one mirror it appears in the other with minimal to no gap. The more overlap there is the more field of view you sacrifice of your blind spots.

Why would you want your mirror to show you the side of your vehicle?

 

[wrang_stang]

Why would you want your mirror to show you the side of your vehicle?

No one wants to see the side of their vehicle? Please refer back to Figure 1 and 4 as examples of proper mirror adjustment.

Priority #1 is no gaps.
Priority #2 is no duplication.
In that order. Seeing the side of your vehicle is useless.

 

[Ratbert]

No one wants to see the side of their vehicle? Please refer back to Figure 1 and 4 as examples of proper mirror adjustment.

Priority #1 is no gaps.
Priority #2 is no duplication.
In that order. Seeing the side of your vehicle is useless.

Figure 2 and figure 5 both show you the side of your vehicle, which we seem to agree is useless.

 

[wrang_stang]

Figure 2 and figure 5 both show you the side of your vehicle, which we seem to agree is useless.

Right

if you would read the text below the graphics it explains once again that 1 and 4 are correct, and 2/5 are examples of what *not* to do.

I can sympathize that they could have labeled them more succinctly without requiring the reader to read the text.

 

[Ratbert]

Right

if you would read the text below the graphics it explains once again that 1 and 4 are correct, and 2/5 are examples of what *not* to do.

I can sympathize that they could have labeled them more succinctly without requiring the reader to read the text.

Oh. Shit. They equate the word "traditional" with "bad" / "incorrect"??? Damn.

 

[THAW]

Oh. Shit. They equate the word "traditional" with "bad" / "incorrect"??? Damn.

Yup, the point is the way most people have done it for decades is wrong.

 

[dank8307]

I received it today and put it on. No photos or video of installation because it's raining out, but here are some stuff I wanted to share. I purchased the one with clear mirror and the defroster, and no blind spot warning light.

Installation was simple. The instruction manual was fairly generic, tailored for multiple different mirrors and vehicle makes rather than being specific to JL's. It still wasn't hard to figure out--adjust the mirror and pry it gently from the outer-lower corner, and it'll just pop out.

During the swap, I noticed that the JL's mirrors have two aluminum brackets on the backside of each mirrors. One of those need to be removed from each and transplanted to each of the Wolfbox. The Wolfbox mirrors have spot for only one of the brackets.

Putting the Wolfbox mirrors in was just a matter of connecting the defrosting element wires, and then popping the mirrors into place. It helps to use your thumbs to press the mirror from the sides, and then do the same with the top and the bottom, until you hear a click.

My JL came with the US-spec side mirrors, which I replaced with the export-spec 2/3 flat and 1/3 convex side mirrors. I can definitely say the Wolfbox convex mirrors do increase the FOV significantly, at least from 30 to 40% both vertical and lateral.

Obviously, with the increased FOV comes with smaller reflected image, but these aren't for precision maneuvering, but rather checking your blindspots. The increase is just enough to provide a wider view, without making things tiny.

In comparison with mirrors that have more pronounced convex effect, it sits nicely in the middle between factory flat mirrors and aftermarket dome convex. Not too little, not too much. It doesn't have the wide FOV that of my digital side view monitors, but if it did then the reflected image will end up being too small to be practical.

I took the photos roughly from the position where I'd be seeing the reflected images from where I sit.

I haven't noticed any fisheye effect, which is good.

Will this replace tow mirrors? Nope. But it'll give you a little more coverage to make it easier and safer to check for blindspots before lane change and turns.

Overall, it's a worthy investment if you live in a densely populated area.

 

[WOLFBOX CAR LIFE]

I received it today and put it on. No photos or video of installation because it's raining out, but here are some stuff I wanted to share. I purchased the one with clear mirror and the defroster, and no blind spot warning light.

Installation was simple. The instruction manual was fairly generic, tailored for multiple different mirrors and vehicle makes rather than being specific to JL's. It still wasn't hard to figure out--adjust the mirror and pry it gently from the outer-lower corner, and it'll just pop out.

During the swap, I noticed that the JL's mirrors have two aluminum brackets on the backside of each mirrors. One of those need to be removed from each and transplanted to each of the Wolfbox. The Wolfbox mirrors have spot for only one of the brackets.

Putting the Wolfbox mirrors in was just a matter of connecting the defrosting element wires, and then popping the mirrors into place. It helps to use your thumbs to press the mirror from the sides, and then do the same with the top and the bottom, until you hear a click.

My JL came with the US-spec side mirrors, which I replaced with the export-spec 2/3 flat and 1/3 convex side mirrors. I can definitely say the Wolfbox convex mirrors do increase the FOV significantly, at least from 30 to 40% both vertical and lateral.

Obviously, with the increased FOV comes with smaller reflected image, but these aren't for precision maneuvering, but rather checking your blindspots. The increase is just enough to provide a wider view, without making things tiny.

In comparison with mirrors that have more pronounced convex effect, it sits nicely in the middle between factory flat mirrors and aftermarket dome convex. Not too little, not too much. It doesn't have the wide FOV that of my digital side view monitors, but if it did then the reflected image will end up being too small to be practical.

I took the photos roughly from the position where I'd be seeing the reflected images from where I sit.

I haven't noticed any fisheye effect, which is good.

Will this replace tow mirrors? Nope. But it'll give you a little more coverage to make it easier and safer to check for blindspots before lane change and turns.

Overall, it's a worthy investment if you live in a densely populated area.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Glad you like it.
May I know what those monitors mounted on the A pilars are and When you will use them?

 

[dank8307]

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Glad you like it.
May I know what those monitors mounted on the A pilars are and When you will use them?

You're welcome. I'm very particular about reducing as much blindspots as possible, because my Wrangler has a lot of stuff inside and outside, so your mirrors are the perfect upgrade.

Anyway, those are digital side view monitors that I use to supplement the side view mirrors and the digital rear view mirror. I got them on Amazon a little over a year ago. I already had both front- and rear-facing cameras but relied on convex mirrors for blindspots. I know digital side view monitors are getting popular in Europe, but not in the U.S. yet, so I installed those monitors and they've been working quite nicely.

This is where I got it from:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0C61TS7WR

I apparently bought the last one, and it's been out of stock ever since. Road Top's own website doesn't even list the product. However, I did find the exact same product on Alibaba:
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Electronic-Mirror-Side-Mirror-Dual-Lens_1601674286607.html

The monitors came with mounts that just get taped to the dashboard using VHB tape, so I just replaced those with the A-pillar grab handle phone mounts.

They have integrated blindspot warning for vehicles and pedestrians, as well as the ability to splice into the reverse gear to automatically change the viewing angle when the transmission goes into reverse. It has both rear- and front-facing cameras. Under normal use the entire screen displays the rear sides, but if I click the multifunction button twice, it toggles whatever the front cameras see in the 1/3rd of the outer edges of the screens, which is great for parking and trail use because they show exactly how the front wheels are positioned and turned, as well as the terrain that would otherwise be completely obstructed by the A-pillars. They're very useful for squeezing through narrow trails, and complement my front-facing camera nicely. You can kind of see what I'm talking about in the photo below.

Apart from that, another nice thing is the fact that the cameras seem to have good sensors. They're not STARVIS, but they're good enough that I can actually see what's near the vehicle at night time, whereas the physical mirrors will be pitch black. In almost total darkness, the displays don't turn grayscale to increase sensitivity, but rather dim but still display color, so I don't think there's much post processing involved. The sensors are still quite sensitive, and what can be seen on the monitors are far more useful than the mirrors. Here's a comparison of what can be seen using the mirror versus what the monitor shows in darkness.

I did some research and FMVSS mandates vehicle manufacturers to have physical mirrors installed from factory, but there's nothing about end-users from installing digital side view monitors themselves, so these are completely legal to have in the U.S. If you designed it specifically for the Wranglers and sell them, I'm sure there will be a demand. I see other manufacturers starting to integrate sideview cameras into their digital rear view mirrors, so that could be an option that you can go with for your line of digital rear view mirrors.

I personally prefer having separate monitor, to prevent the rear view mirror from getting crowded, and having the monitors positioned near the physical mirrors makes it easier to cover all the bases.

 

[WOLFBOX CAR LIFE]

@dank8307 Thank you for your input and those details, sir. It's very helpful. Much appreciated.

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