Stellantis layoffs

[Take57]

I didn’t say I was happy or unhappy.

My statement about the media is due to 30+ years of experience in the industry. If someone disagrees, that’s ok. Show me where I am wrong about what I said instead of posting pictures of crying babies. The whole point of a discussion is to learn from each other.

I have been attacked personally by a few people here, but it doesn’t bother me because they have not given an example of where I am wrong. I can’t help it if someone’s feelings are hurt because they don’t agree.

You’re welcome to offer cite 30 years of media experience as some kind of bulletproof credential of expertise but prior to my retirement my career was in that field for about five years more than that and I find your assessment questionable at best.

Point being, it makes for a weak argument to claim some kind of exclusive insight when it’s really not so exclusive, let alone verifiable. Heck, both of us could be very well trained chimpanzees pounding out posts in between trying to write Shakespeare in a room with a thousand other chimps. Just sayin’.

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[Mguy]

Point being, it makes for a weak argument to claim some kind of exclusive insight when it’s really not so exclusive, let alone verifiable. Heck, both of us could be very well trained chimpanzees pounding out posts in between trying to write Shakespeare in a room with a thousand other chimps. Just sayin’.

Or you both could be graduates of the George Santos School of Advanced Studies, upon which, much of the internet is based.

 

[Bulletbill]

It’s all good, the people that voted for this shit will be the ones that it hits the hardest. Some lessons can only be learned the hard way.

Every time I read an article on some moron fired government employee that voted for the current administration, or an ignorant citizen that believed all the rhetoric and is now facing some dire circumstance because they were to stupid to understand the ramifications of what they were voting for puts a smile on my face.

I feel no pity for ignorant people who believed the internet trolls posting fake news from their basements or idiot pod cast hosts who couldn’t care less about what happens to our country as long as their pockets are filled.

FAFO, should be the new national motto.

 

[GabeBoyTheGreat]

Unrelated, anyone else here engage with this Site on a laptop? Does your curser just randomly leave the text box while typing?

Unrelated, yet arguably the most productive comment I have seen. I usually use my desktop, but yes, this happens to me.

 

[Pape]

The United States has had tarrifs on our goods for decades and we did not impose the same in return. We need to return manufacturing back to our States, our Cities, and our Towns. Lowering taxes alone won't do it on a mass scale due to cheap overseas labor and lower environmental standards. We need to be able to compete on the global market. I am not for picking certain industries to offer tax incentives to, just like I do not think a single person with no children should pay more in taxes than a married couple with children. If we cannot sell items made or grown in America in country X without a tarrif, country X should not be able to sell their goods here without a tarrif.

Jeep, and I think most every other vehicle manufacturer, has messed with the super special invoice price thanks to the internet. It is my theory that especially in the last five years that invoice price has been inflated to ensure a much higher profit margin.

Unrelated, anyone else here engage with this Site on a laptop? Does your curser just randomly leave the text box while typing?

Not just laptop, Desktop also, I suspect something to do when Ad reload

 

[Pape]

You’re welcome to offer cite 30 years of media experience as some kind of bulletproof credential of expertise but prior to my retirement my career was in that field for about five years more than that and I find your assessment questionable at best.

Point being, it makes for a weak argument to claim some kind of exclusive insight when it’s really not so exclusive, let alone verifiable. Heck, both of us could be very well trained chimpanzees pounding out posts in between trying to write Shakespeare in a room with a thousand other chimps. Just sayin’.

It is a fact that if you want to attract customer in the news world you need to use one of these: Blood, Sex or Sensation. Heck even the weather channel now call simple rain day extreme weather.

 

[fczabala]

serious question... in terms of prices going up or not, even if companies bring manufacturing back to the states, who is going to cover the cost of not only the infrastructure required for such a move, but the new payrolls on American soil? What's the plan for when companies raise prices to cover all the new costs for all the American made products? is there a single CEO who is willing to cap his/her/it/their earnings for the benefit of the people as in to keep prices affordable?

 

[yokramer]

Anyone who thinks this is just a bargaining chip to negotiate better deals should think long and hard about what happens when China and/or the EU calls his bluff. 80% of the crap on Amazon is going to double in price. Consumer spending dies, and so does the economy.

Fun fact: 50% of US imports are used for domestic manufacturing. So even Made in the USA, prices will go up.

100% when shit hits the fan and no one buys anything because prices rise too quickly to be covered the blame will be squarely placed on consumers too.

 

[yokramer]

serious question... in terms of prices going up or not, even if companies bring manufacturing back to the states, who is going to cover the cost of not only the infrastructure required for such a move, but the new payrolls on American soil? What's the plan for when companies raise prices to cover all the new costs for all the American made products? is there a single CEO who is willing to cap his/her/it/their earnings for the benefit of the people as in to keep prices affordable?

Every single person here arguing about how these tariffs are a good thing and will only help also are the same people that think corporations taking all the profit they can get when they can get it is a good thing.

The same faces always say "What do you expect them to do? Not take the profit when its there?" So if their dream land of cheaper prices for materials happens and all the companies just take that as extra profit, they will change their tune from "It'll make US made goods cheaper" to "Well now we make more money here" meanwhile nothing has changed for the average American other than not being able to afford even more things.

 

[Pape]

Every single person here arguing about how these tariffs are a good thing and will only help also are the same people that think corporations taking all the profit they can get when they can get it is a good thing.

The same faces always say "What do you expect them to do? Not take the profit when its there?" So if their dream land of cheaper prices for materials happens and all the companies just take that as extra profit, they will change their tune from "It'll make US made goods cheaper" to "Well now we make more money here" meanwhile nothing has changed for the average American other than not being able to afford even more things.

Are you advocating for price control on all goods ?

 

[yokramer]

Are you advocating for price control on all goods ?

Thats quite the leap there. What Im saying is that any time costs go up for any reason those prices stay there for the consumer because of greed and the corporate structure and forcing prices for goods and materials to rise will never end up in costs for the average person to go down. Even if those costs end up lowering later.

 

[plex]

I keep going to my usual guns, Jeep, whatever covervative-minded forums to see what people think and the fact they're all highly alarmed by this tells me we must truly be fucked. Most were usually quite on board with whatever orange did but not so much this time.

 

[Pape]

Thats quite the leap there. What Im saying is that any time costs go up for any reason those prices stay there for the consumer because of greed and the corporate structure and forcing prices for goods and materials to rise will never end up in costs for the average person to go down. Even if those costs end up lowering later.

Ok, indeed some corporations are bad. I guess competition is the current mesures in place to try to keep this in check. When all the competition are prices fixing this where the law need to step in. Unfortunately this one rarely happening IMO. I guess as a consumer we need to make our money talk.

 

[yokramer]

Ok, indeed some corporations are bad. I guess competition is the current mesures in place to try to keep this in check. When all the competition are prices fixing this where the law need to step in. Unfortunately this one rarely happening IMO. I guess as a consumer we need to make our money talk.

Yea thats been the sentiment for a long time now and everyone always just keeps going back to buying the cheapest thing available, or the "best" no matter the cost. PC parts right now are a great example of it, the last tariffs made prices skyrocket and they stayed just as high meanwhile the products are sold as the same tier of performance while actually being below what they used to be based off die sizes.

But 80%+ of consumers arent going to spend hours researching to best $/performance and will default to what they have always done which just drives pricing higher. And now add in these new tariffs and good fucking luck. Who wants to spend $600+ on a Nintendo Switch? Not really anyone but they will sell shit loads of them because mindless consumerism.

 

[Pape]

I keep going to my usual guns, Jeep, whatever covervative-minded forums to see what people think and the fact they're all highly alarmed by this tells me we must truly be fucked. Most were usually quite on board with whatever orange did but not so much this time.

Easy there, this is an simple 3 steps approach, Insult, flex your muscle a little, negotiate.
To be honest on this one I'm more in: let sit back and watch if he win is bet or not.

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