Safety features standard for 2022?

[Zandcwhite]

Disable what on which vehicle?

On the VW you can disable the lane keeping but you can not disable the radar cruise and brake assist. It is also useless in light snow, which we get a lot of. In this car you can not use cruise control without it braking wildly on a whim. Might be OK with you but I am over this "safety feature".

I also had a '15 power Wagon. They told me that with the lockers engaged the "assists" were disabled. That wasn't true either, no gas and brake crawling without the computer shutting the throttle down necessitating a restart in a precarious position. You could also hear and feel the traction control trying to work even when locked up. Then one day it tried to kill me while hauling some firewood by engaging the brakes while passing on a two lane. Safety systems only work for people who have given up on being attentive drivers.

It is going to be bad enough to have to manually shut off the stupid stop start on the new Jeep. Hopefully there is a work around for that "technology", I thought I saw one on this forum.

So you do realize that you can not totally disable any of it right?

Pull the abs fuse if you're that afraid of the evil machines? Having commuted in the bay area for more than 20 years, I'd trust a toaster to drive more intelligently than many people, let alone actual computers. There are far more accidents caused by human error every day than there have been caused by adaptive cruise control since its invention.

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[AMC_CJ]

No computer can drive as well as a human.

You obviously haven't seen some the drivers around these parts...

 

[MtnJeep]

Pull the abs fuse if you're that afraid of the evil machines? Having commuted in the bay area for more than 20 years, I'd trust a toaster to drive more intelligently than many people, let alone actual computers. There are far more accidents caused by human error every day than there have been caused by adaptive cruise control since its invention.

Just saying that in my experience, these "safety features" are no such thing. I do not live in the city, never will again after leaving 30 years ago, wouldn't wish that on anybody. That doesn't mean you have any actual facts about how many accidents have or have not been caused by these systems, just your opinion. Fact is, if you drive properly they are a hinderance not a help. I will continue to avoid them for my needs. Thank you for your concern.

 

[MtnJeep]

On the Jeep.

So besides adaptive cruise control it has regular cruise control? I doubt that. Shutting off the adaptive cruise means no cruise. So you can't really shut it off and maintain the rest of the vehicles normal functions.

 

[SH556JL]

Just saying that in my experience, these "safety features" are no such thing. I do not live in the city, never will again after leaving 30 years ago, wouldn't wish that on anybody. That doesn't mean you have any actual facts about how many accidents have or have not been caused by these systems, just your opinion. Fact is, if you drive properly they are a hinderance not a help. I will continue to avoid them for my needs. Thank you for your concern.

Do you have the facts, can you post them? Don't get me wrong, I hate all these adaptive cruise and collision stuff. I find them way too sensitive (even turned all the way down, some are difficult or can't be turned off). I have driven numerous different cars with them through work (we rent tons of vehicles). I wouldn't own a car with all these extra features. But am curious on facts or examples of them causing crashes (other then self driving stuff like Telsa) rather then being an annoyance.

 

[Zandcwhite]

So besides adaptive cruise control it has regular cruise control? I doubt that. Shutting off the adaptive cruise means no cruise. So you can't really shut it off and maintain the rest of the vehicles normal functions.

Our 2019 has both, you can run standard cruise control or in adaptive mode.

 

[MtnJeep]

You obviously haven't seen some the drivers around these parts...

I try to avoid "those parts"... If you maintain safe distance and pay attention you shouldn't need electronic intervention.

So let's condone crappy drivers guys, and give them electronic crutches instead of just letting the natural consequences of being a bad driver be the teacher? Guess that is the way of the world anymore...

 

[Reinen]

Pull the abs fuse if you're that afraid of the evil machines? Having commuted in the bay area for more than 20 years, I'd trust a toaster to drive more intelligently than many people, let alone actual computers. There are far more accidents caused by human error every day than there have been caused by adaptive cruise control since its invention.

Don't bother. You're clearly talking to someone still living in the 20th century. If they haven't figured out how these safety tools work by now you're not going to enlighten them.

 

[MtnJeep]

Our 2019 has both, you can run standard cruise control or in adaptive mode.

Nice, that is an improvement over the systems I have had.

 

[MtnJeep]

Don't bother. You're clearly talking to someone still living in the 20th century. If they haven't figured out how these safety tools work by now you're not going to enlighten them.

Enlighten me... that's funny. Just learn how to drive, that is all the enlightenment required.

 

[MtnJeep]

Do you have the facts, can you post them? Don't get me wrong, I hate all these adaptive cruise and collision stuff. I find them way too sensitive (even turned all the way down, some are difficult or can't be turned off). I have driven numerous different cars with them through work (we rent tons of vehicles). I wouldn't own a car with all these extra features.

No, do you? I am not a paid research assistant... I suspect the stats would be much like seatbelt stats, compiled to push and agenda. I do not think these features do anything but dumb down drivers and I would never again have them after having lived with them for several years now.

 

[SH556JL]

No, do you? I am not a paid research assistant... I suspect the stats would be much like seatbelt stats, compiled to push and agenda. I do not think these features do anything but dumb down drivers and I would never again have them after having lived with them for several years now.

Nope, you just mention facts and was wondering if you seen statistics "about how many accidents have or have not been caused by these systems". I haven't look them up and was under the impression you may have been aware of study about it.

 

[entropy]

Crazy thoughts? Guess that works both ways... I will pass on all of the above given the choice, which is becoming a problem these days. Amazes me what people have convinced themselves they "need". Safety is a ruse, nothing is safe. Good Luck with your choices.

I know right? Ive been thinking about cutting the seatbelts off my Jeep. I think it is a device the government put there to lock us in electronically if they need to, specially with Biden in power.

People didnt have seatbelts before. Seatbelts are no replacement for safe driving.

 

[AMC_CJ]

I know right? Ive been thinking about cutting the seatbelts off my Jeep. I think it is a device the government put there to lock us in electronically if they need to, specially with Biden in power.

People didnt have seatbelts before. Seatbelts are no replacement for safe driving.

and what about windshields, right? People these days afraid of a little wind... back in @MtnJeep 's days, folks weren't afraid of messing up their hair.

 

[Reinen]

Enlighten me... that's funny. Just learn how to drive, that is all the enlightenment required.

I'm just going to say this, then I'm not going to bother.
It's a well established fact that humans are never infallibly 100% attentive, whether you have learned how to drive or not. That includes you and it's best to put hubris aside and accept that fact. Safety features are tools that interject whenever a possible lack of attention occurs. Every one of them can be easily anticipated and overridden by an attentive driver. Failure to do so means you are a momentarily inattentive driver and they interject. They are not something to fight, they are tools to work with.

Case in point, my ACC occasionally picks up cyclists in the bike lane and will slow the Jeep to not rear end them. But I know this and I know how the tool works. So when I'm approaching a cyclist with ACC active, I acknowledge their existence with a slight press of the accelerator to inform my Jeep that "I see it, we're good". But were I inattentive and didn't notice the cyclist (which has yet to happen) it's a darn good thing that my Jeep will slow down and not hit them, bringing me back to attention. Because you only need to fail once for terrible things to happen.

Just learning how to drive is not enough. You are human and are never 100% attentive.
Just learn how to use your safety tools.

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